Left flywheel cover
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kirrbby
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I'm still not able to post pics from my phone.
I'll try to get a real pic up later.
But, top left is a longtail cover that was used on Z50 K0 and early K1's.
Below that is the mid K1 thru K2 Z50 cover that was also used on the early silvertag CT70's.
Top right is a Z50 K3 up. But I don't know anything about the paint, or no paint in the lettering. I do know I've seen them both ways, and I seen at least one with red paint in there..?
Bottom right is the regular 2 piece CT70 cover.
Scooter, if you look at the back side of your Z50 covers, are they different? Are they different than my K3 up cover? I know that the replacement covers that are still available new are made different on the back side than the originals.
I recently learned that there are at least 3 different versions of the 12v flywheel covers too.
I'll try to get a real pic up later.
But, top left is a longtail cover that was used on Z50 K0 and early K1's.
Below that is the mid K1 thru K2 Z50 cover that was also used on the early silvertag CT70's.
Top right is a Z50 K3 up. But I don't know anything about the paint, or no paint in the lettering. I do know I've seen them both ways, and I seen at least one with red paint in there..?
Bottom right is the regular 2 piece CT70 cover.
Scooter, if you look at the back side of your Z50 covers, are they different? Are they different than my K3 up cover? I know that the replacement covers that are still available new are made different on the back side than the originals.
I recently learned that there are at least 3 different versions of the 12v flywheel covers too.
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scooter
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Kirby - can't see your pics yet. No rush just trying to accurately mark what I have. I picked these up from old Honda shops and don't believe I have one tag for the one piece type 11341-045-030 but don't know which of the two single body (no removable point cover)it was on. I think it belongs with the no paint version. The two piece is CT70 11341-098-010. Trying to confirm which of the two single bodies is the 11341-045-030. And what part number/bike does the other one go on. CT70 or Z50 and which model. Once I see your pics probably be easy to match up the tag
kirrbby
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But, top left is a longtail cover that was used on Z50 K0 and early K1's.
Below that is the mid K1 thru K2 Z50 cover that was also used on the early silvertag CT70's.
Top right is a Z50 K3 up. But I don't know anything about the paint, or no paint in the lettering. I do know I've seen them both ways, and I seen at least one with red paint in there..?
Bottom right is the regular 2 piece CT70 cover.
Scooter, if you look at the back side of your Z50 covers, are they different? Are they different than my K3 up cover? I know that the replacement covers that are still available new are made different on the back side than the originals.
I recently learned that there are at least 3 different versions of the 12v flywheel covers too.
Below that is the mid K1 thru K2 Z50 cover that was also used on the early silvertag CT70's.
Top right is a Z50 K3 up. But I don't know anything about the paint, or no paint in the lettering. I do know I've seen them both ways, and I seen at least one with red paint in there..?
Bottom right is the regular 2 piece CT70 cover.
Scooter, if you look at the back side of your Z50 covers, are they different? Are they different than my K3 up cover? I know that the replacement covers that are still available new are made different on the back side than the originals.
I recently learned that there are at least 3 different versions of the 12v flywheel covers too.
That explains why Cloud Silver looked like the current iteration...because it is.
A cherry for the top of this purist sundae...there was a flywheel-cover-to-LH-case gasket, in addition to the points inspection cover gasket. They vanished from gasket kits and parts catalogs sometime in the dim & distant past becoming nearly impossible to find by the late `90s. Originally, the alternator was intended to be a watertight assembly.
Gary
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Interesting did not know that Bob,I have never seen one on the small bikes. My TL has a gasket only because the points run off the cam and the flywheel,mounted backwards and with the coils mounted in the cover,actually runs in the oil. My MR being an enduro bike but a 2 stroke has a flywheel and points very similar to the mini's but does have a gasket. And I might add was hard to find.
scooter
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I found one of those gaskets in my stash. Thought I'd share so folks could see the shape of it
kirrbby
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Nice.
I've seen so little of these gaskets, or even mention of them. I've never seen any remnants of a gasket in that area. I've never seen one listed on ANY parts diagram.
I kinda thought they were never really made or used by Honda.
Next time I have a opportunity, I'll probably buy one now. Then use it as a pattern to carve a few out. If i have them available, I'll use them. At least on the keepers.
I've seen so little of these gaskets, or even mention of them. I've never seen any remnants of a gasket in that area. I've never seen one listed on ANY parts diagram.
I kinda thought they were never really made or used by Honda.
Next time I have a opportunity, I'll probably buy one now. Then use it as a pattern to carve a few out. If i have them available, I'll use them. At least on the keepers.
Looks like a difficult shape to cut by hand. There are outfits that will make custom gaskets, CNC-cut, from a template (which could be an old gasket); best guess $10 a pop for these but I could be way off. For the dedicated purist, that should be reasonable enough.
Have to wonder if a stator plate O-ring could be adapted. It's thin, as O-rings go and compressible. A single slice would allow you to increase the diameter to match the mating surfaces. A little weatherstrip adhesive, applied to the cover, would hold it in place. And a teensy dab of RTV could then be use to seal the gap, which you'd located at the 12 o'clock position. From a purely practical standpoint, RTV could be applied to the cover, then allowed to cure before installing it. I usually cringe at the thought of gasket sealer, let alone RTV silicone, use on these motors but, this is safe enough and accessible enough to clean, if one uses too much. IMHO, you'd want a layer that's thinner than the paper gasket; that, plus pre-curing, should eliminate the old, dreaded, squish-out.
Have to wonder if a stator plate O-ring could be adapted. It's thin, as O-rings go and compressible. A single slice would allow you to increase the diameter to match the mating surfaces. A little weatherstrip adhesive, applied to the cover, would hold it in place. And a teensy dab of RTV could then be use to seal the gap, which you'd located at the 12 o'clock position. From a purely practical standpoint, RTV could be applied to the cover, then allowed to cure before installing it. I usually cringe at the thought of gasket sealer, let alone RTV silicone, use on these motors but, this is safe enough and accessible enough to clean, if one uses too much. IMHO, you'd want a layer that's thinner than the paper gasket; that, plus pre-curing, should eliminate the old, dreaded, squish-out.
Gary
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I Thought I'd look in my microfitch stash- for sure if any had it it would be the the first one,the CS50/65. But no the microfitch is dated 8/93 and has most likely been updated
kirrbby
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86-87?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Honda-1...ash=item58ff2e2f0f:g:Dl4AAOSwArxZzU3q&vxp=mtr
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/Motorcycle/1986/Z50R+A/ALTERNATOR+86-87/parts.html
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Honda-1...ash=item58ff2e2f0f:g:Dl4AAOSwArxZzU3q&vxp=mtr
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/Motorcycle/1986/Z50R+A/ALTERNATOR+86-87/parts.html
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