DMV reg in Vermont for non title ct70

I live in California. I was told it's a simple process for registering a non titled motorcycle in Vermont, even if not your home residence. They won't give a title, but you can use their registration card to get a title in your home state.

To get my non-titled 1969 ko ct70 registered through Vermont DMV, I sent a bill of sale (notarized), picture of bike and vin. Correct DMV form filled out, and NADA print out of assessed value, and a check for the fees.

They sent back everything above, and stated I must have blinkers to register an off road motorcycle in Vermont. The bike then must be inspected in Vermont.

A 1969 ct70 is street legal without blinkers in both CA and Vermont.

Anybody else try a Vermont registration and have this problem or any other problems?

Unless they completely revised their rules, you have come across someone there that doesn't know the requirements for registration. Save yourself some grief and call the listed number to clarify what is required. I don't believe any state requires reengineering a vehicle without certain original safety equipment to comply with present day standards. If that were the case you would see Model T's with add-on signals.

red69 said:

If that were the case you would see Model T's with add-on signals.

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Bravo, for that statement!!!

I hate dealing with people like that. They cause SO many migraines and get off doing it.

Did you fill out the form right? I have called the DMV in vemont for multiple issues, each time I spoke to a person, yes a person, who listened to my problem and had the common sense and autonomy to make the necessary corrections. California though.....

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if VT changes things, eventually. Titling a vintage bike really isn't the clusterf***k it appears to be, in some states. It's about the money. Here, in MI, it was easy...typically under $100...fill out an affidavit, wait in line, they ran the VIN at the counter, you paid and your title arrived in the mail in about half the time they promised. The worst part of the process was the wait, if you went at the wrong time of day. Of course, it also depended upon the branch office and the clerk you had to face, things that could be learned over time, to your advantage. Then, we became one of those wise "red" states, the ones with "lower" taxes and "fewer" regulations. Since then, "surety bonds" have been required, average cost ~$300 and they're only available from private insurance companies. You're also limited to a certain number (that can never quite be settled) of titles after which you'd be required to "obtain" a dealer$ licen$e. Hmmm, wonder if the state can no longer check VINs or if...just maybe...it has something to do with the insurance lobby? 90 miles to the south, Ohio has always been a pain in the ass when it comes to titling. Of course, insurance costs ~45% of what it does here.

Here's a kicker...
In MI, a bike that's more than 25 years old and valued below than $2500 does not require a surety bond. Care to hazard a guess as to how easy it is finding a clerk that knows this?

The bottom line is that it's a 50-state moving target. And some of the worst states are the ones you'd least expect...IA, OH, NB come to mind. Only way to find out is to find out, directly, by making inquires to your state's DMV. There are some pleasant surprises out there, too.

Tripod said:

Did you fill out the form right? I have called the DMV in vemont for multiple issues, each time I spoke to a person, yes a person, who listened to my problem and had the common sense and autonomy to make the necessary corrections. California though.....

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I did call the Vermont DMV. The person (in this case a female - just filling in the blanks, not being sexist) told me I needed blinkers to ride motorcycles in Vermont. I did politely tell her a 1969 ct70 motorcycle was not produced with blinkers, and neither CA or Vermont required the blinkers on bikes before 1973 based on their laws.

She told me that her 69 motorcycle had blinkers, and not only am I required to install the blinkers, but go to a Vermont inspection station for verification. At this point I wisely knew it was time to politely hangup. And possibly try again later.

In the mean time, in CA, I went to the AAA. They said the bike is still in the system, and had been placed into non-operation at the DMV. But they won't tell me the prior owner.

So. Now I have to find the owner in the system by tracking down each prior owner. Best of luck to me.

That woman you talked to is an idiot and should get a job picking crap with the chickens.

red69 said:

That woman you talked to is an idiot and should get a job picking crap with the chickens.

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That's why she's at the DMV. Chickens wouldn't have her.

Note to self, don't send pictures of the WHOLE BIKE! Just the VIN!

Im going to send in a z50 K0 and k2 this week...

Here in Louisiana, Vermont has asked me to send in an inspection form on one of my bikes after rejecting my application. This was the "Louisiana State Police Affidavit of Physical Inspection" form. In the remarks section of this form was written "Vehicle meets all Louisiana laws for legal operation on public roads" . . . or something to that effect. Once I returned this form, the Vermont problem was resolved and they sent me the plate and reggie.

Rick

I actually just sent out all the stuff needed to register my CT70 through Vermont the 11th so I’m waiting for the out come. I am in Ohio 10 hrs away from the vt dmv so if an inspection was needed it’s not impossible but the bike is completely disassembled.

Got my K0 registered. No problemo, business as usual in Vermont.

I had received a letter from them a week ago. Saying I had the tax amount wrong, which was my fault, I told them I had a 1970 and the nada was 890. This was before I realized I had a 1971. So I sent it in as a 71 with the nada tax for 890. When it’s actually 935. So I had to rewrite a check for a few dollars more. Talked the them on Halloween and they said the registration has been processed and it should be here next week.

‘71beast said:

I had received a letter from them a week ago. Saying I had the tax amount wrong, which was my fault, I told them I had a 1970 and the nada was 890. This was before I realized I had a 1971. So I sent it in as a 71 with the nada tax for 890. When it’s actually 935. So I had to rewrite a check for a few dollars more. Talked the them on Halloween and they said the registration has been processed and it should be here next week.

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I'm in Ohio also and have 2 i need to get done. Hopefully it's easy as it seems... Did you ever try through Ohio or is it a list cause?

SketchyBikes said:

I'm in Ohio also and have 2 i need to get done. Hopefully it's easy as it seems... Did you ever try through Ohio or is it a list cause?

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To be honest I called OSP first to get the vin verified. They gave me a website to check the vin make sure it was stolen, salvaged etc. and when I asked if I could get a title they gave me wayyyy to long of a list. And a few thousand dollars it seemed with months of waiting time. I then said well what if it’s never been registered gave the details on how that would be possible, mini bike, off road type, 70’s. And that just lost them all together. Went straight to Vermont quick easy simple. But I recently called my insurance provided to get a quote on insuring it and asked about a bonded title. She said it’s possible (I have Allstate) but at this point I knew my registration was on its way. So I didn’t ask more details. It cost me $104.10 to get it registered in Vermont. And unsure if Ohio is gonna go with price paid or the nada that Vermont taxed me on for an Ohio title but as quick as it was I don’t care either way. I just want to get it built and enjoy it. Anymore questions on the Ohio registration in Vermont feel free to ask.

‘71beast said:

Anymore questions on the Ohio registration in Vermont feel free to ask.

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Do you plan to swap your Vermont title for an Ohio one? Just wondering if that’s what most people do here for untitled bikes - title in Vermont then obtain title in home state... perhaps I should start a poll...

airblazer said:

Do you plan to swap your Vermont title for an Ohio one? Just wondering if that’s what most people do here for untitled bikes - title in Vermont then obtain title in home state... perhaps I should start a poll...

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Yes immediately upon the arrival of the Vermont registration

No titles from Vermont for our bikes for two reasons:

1 - engine is smaller than 300 CC's.

2 - too old. They don't title our bikes because they are more than fifteen years old.

Plate and registration only for our bikes. For most states, not all . . . a Vermont plate and reggie is often enough to break the DMV log jam in your home state and get a plate, registration and a title. It REALLY helps to print the companion Vermont instructions for Vermont DMV Form 119 and take them with you to your DMV office. This explains my point 1 and point 2 to the DMV clerk as to why you don't have a Vermont title. Beyond that, try to remain absolutely mute, stone silent, as to why your bike NEVER had a title or where that title might now be. If you sing like a canary answering these questions to the DMV clerk, all title hope is likely lost.

Here in Louisiana, I even get a tax credit for the six percent Vermont sales tax paid and only pay the difference. And get a Louisiana title.

Rick

I was gonna tell them I was on vacation in Vermont found the bike bought and and wanted to ride it now so I registered it there. IF they ask.