I like that bracket better than most I've seen used. It's an easy thing to make, if one has the shop equipment and some basic metal fab skill. That's one way of matching cable type & length. Going by your photo, looks to me like you have just enough adjustment remaining and that ought to be fine. Cables don't really stretch after being used for a while. I like no more than ~1mm of cable slack. IMO, that gives the best clutch action...especially with a stock-length CT70H hand lever.
Ct70 with Nice 110 - considering installing a ct110 motor
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Actually, that's more of a Dax part. The CT70 didn't get it until 1991. It's too narrow, by a lot, to fit this engine...without extensive mods. I'm talking about cutting it apart, sectioning & welding. If you're accomplished in metalfab, it is possible.
FYI, the best setup IMHO, is the modular Honda Nice footrest/sidestand assembly. The footrest bar mounts to an upper section which has the sidestand. The new gen footpeg covers are hollow, adding another layer of rubber damping between the engine and the rider's feet. Even that has a problem; the pegs are rigid, a.k.a. "ankle breakers". I cut them off, grafted-on folding pegs. A fair bit of fab work but, everything is perfectly fitted to the engine and the result is great ergonomically as well.
The bolt pattern is identical. The CT70 engine is a good ~70mm narrower. If you have the Nice footrest assembly, the sidestand is part of the upper bracket, directly bolted to the engine; the footrest assembly bolts to the upper bracket, insulated by 4 large (~60mm OD) rubber grommets & matching stovepipe hat-shaped spacers. The crossbar is solid, including the pegs.
It is possible to fit a CT70 footrest using spacers...IMO, it's poor fit. OTOH, it is also possible to fit an aftermarket footrest assembly. I once used a Jincheng footrest asm, that originally was bolted to a Zongshen 110 motor.
It is possible to fit a CT70 footrest using spacers...IMO, it's poor fit. OTOH, it is also possible to fit an aftermarket footrest assembly. I once used a Jincheng footrest asm, that originally was bolted to a Zongshen 110 motor.
A simple question that is difficult to answer...due to budget differences. Ohlins has a 3-way adjustable (compression, rebound, spring preload), YSS has a 5-way (added height adjustment & low-speed adjustment). Both are ~$800/pair. The YSS is, in my view, the higher-line shock...more user-tunable and more spring options. Mind you, I'm not comparing manufacturers only specific product lines available to fit this application. IMO, Ohlins is the safer bet; more dealers & they're likely to be around for many years. Both shocks are rebuildable, top-quality, pieces. The price of admission is way beyond what most are willing to spend.
Takegawa lists a 3-way adjustable in their catalog. Last I looked, Web!ke had them, $350/pair.
Below this level, it's a bit of a crapshoot. At a minimum, go by spring rate. All the cheap shocks I've seen have been little more than spring holders, some look better than others. With a 60mph bike, it's tricky enough finding springs that prevent bottoming-out...without requiring the rider to wear a kidney belt.
Shocks with real valving cost real money to produce. And that's what it all boils down to. Get the valving right, to control suspension motions, pair that with the correct spring rate and the result is outstanding. With the right variable-rate springs, ride quality is better than seems possible with a machine this small. Problem is, the current market for a twin-shock setup is smaller than the bike. That means few really good options and it's up to you to figure out a cross-reference. Neither manufacturer lists CT70, ST70, Z50 shocks.
Ideally, you want a 335mm shock. I prefer 340mm, given the choice. Stock length is 330mm, or 335mm, depending upon the source you consult. 5mm is a small difference. Shortest I'd ever go is 320mm and that's really pushing the limit, longest would be 350mm.
fatcaaat
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The best bang for the buck rear shocks I've come across are the P937 that CHP sells. These are made in Japan, 330mm, and have good enough response for a budget. I've used these on a few of my bikes but agree with Bob. 3/4 of my CTikes all have 3-way adjustable spring, rebound, compression adjustments and 3/4 I was able to select the spring rates for them. They allow me to dial it in exactly for the experience I am looking for. The non-adjustable ones I have are from Daytona, but I was able to select the spring rate for those. I'd say I prefer the tunability.
RMHRC
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Rear shocks - are there 2 types of Takegawa? I found them for $150 and $450 Aud
What about kitaco rear shocks
http://scmoto.com.au/products/rear-shock-330mm-kitaco.html
What about kitaco rear shocks
http://scmoto.com.au/products/rear-shock-330mm-kitaco.html
Kitaco & Takegawa rebrand shocks, neither manufactures them, never have. They are both high-end Japanese outfits, with hard-earned reputations to maintain. Thus, with these guys, you do get what you pay for.
That Kitaco shock looks similar to the Kitaco-branded shocks I ran circa 2000-2006. Best guess, they're entry-level Showa. Only way to know what kind of ride quality they'll deliver is the hard...trial & error. My set delivered a decent ride quality...riding two-up and with the spring preload on the lightest setting. Otherwise, they were grossly oversprung for anyone under 300lbs/145kg. The 450AUD Takegawa shocks are probably mid-level YSS units. In terms of performance, between the two, there's no comparison. If I were in your place, I'd look for a YSS dealer/distributor closer to home, go through their catalog and select the best the budget will allow...and specify a spring rate. YSS uses variable-rate springs, at least with their higher-line shocks.
That Kitaco shock looks similar to the Kitaco-branded shocks I ran circa 2000-2006. Best guess, they're entry-level Showa. Only way to know what kind of ride quality they'll deliver is the hard...trial & error. My set delivered a decent ride quality...riding two-up and with the spring preload on the lightest setting. Otherwise, they were grossly oversprung for anyone under 300lbs/145kg. The 450AUD Takegawa shocks are probably mid-level YSS units. In terms of performance, between the two, there's no comparison. If I were in your place, I'd look for a YSS dealer/distributor closer to home, go through their catalog and select the best the budget will allow...and specify a spring rate. YSS uses variable-rate springs, at least with their higher-line shocks.
RMHRC
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Good advise
I spoke with YSS. They are great.
I’m looking for 330mm eye to eye aren’t I?
The shocks shown above in #52 are not worth $450/pair. They are okay but wholesale for about 1/4 that advertised price.
With YSS, adjustable compression & rebound are found on their higher-line, ~$500-up, shocks. Like Ohlins, their product lines top-out, price-wise close to $2K. IMO, the value tops-out with their $750-850/pair shocks, beyond that price point is a waste...for these bikes. The trick is finding the low-end price point where you get a goodly percentage of the performance...following the "80/20 rule". It IS possible to get acceptable quality shocks, i.e. they'll deliver actual shock damping and control suspension motions, without bottom-out easily and not start leaking after minimal mileage. As pricing crosses the midpoint, those added dollars start buying ride quality...and plush ride quality is very difficult to achieve with a bike this small & lightweight.
I spoke with a US distributor of Hagon shocks. They seemed like good folks. The shocks were late 1960s-era Dunlop/Girling units, OE on classic British bikes. Old-school technology, quality construction...and rebuildable. One problem...they vanished from the face of the earth.
Another possibility might be sourcing a pair of used Ohlins, from a full size bike, then sourcing softer springs from Ohlins.
FYI, length is always eye-to-eye with all shocks. Spring finish is a matter of personal preference. I'm old-school, chrome & polished billet are high on my list of likes. That said, all else the same, if the budget is limited, I'd allocate the extra bucks toward function, and go with PCd springs.
With YSS, adjustable compression & rebound are found on their higher-line, ~$500-up, shocks. Like Ohlins, their product lines top-out, price-wise close to $2K. IMO, the value tops-out with their $750-850/pair shocks, beyond that price point is a waste...for these bikes. The trick is finding the low-end price point where you get a goodly percentage of the performance...following the "80/20 rule". It IS possible to get acceptable quality shocks, i.e. they'll deliver actual shock damping and control suspension motions, without bottom-out easily and not start leaking after minimal mileage. As pricing crosses the midpoint, those added dollars start buying ride quality...and plush ride quality is very difficult to achieve with a bike this small & lightweight.
I spoke with a US distributor of Hagon shocks. They seemed like good folks. The shocks were late 1960s-era Dunlop/Girling units, OE on classic British bikes. Old-school technology, quality construction...and rebuildable. One problem...they vanished from the face of the earth.
Another possibility might be sourcing a pair of used Ohlins, from a full size bike, then sourcing softer springs from Ohlins.
FYI, length is always eye-to-eye with all shocks. Spring finish is a matter of personal preference. I'm old-school, chrome & polished billet are high on my list of likes. That said, all else the same, if the budget is limited, I'd allocate the extra bucks toward function, and go with PCd springs.
RMHRC
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1. I butchered the plastic bushings. Where do I get more from? Could I have some HDPE versions made or can I buy original online ?
2. what do you think of the fork chrome ?i think Bob is right when he says better to leave alone...
3. Can you buy heavier fork springs for these forks ?
4. the oil looked like whale snot. About a table spoon came out initially.
5. I love working on this bike.
6. bought a new oem complete exhaust and heat shield today.
7. I think I’ll just buy those black YSS shocks as they are about $250 US dollars. shipping stuff from the US to Oz at the moment is crazy cost and time delays
