Led turn signals ?

Ok guys here's what we've got so far.
Removing the indicator bulb from the dash ALMOST did the trick.

With that bulb removed,
and the turn signal switch on left,
only left turn signals come on.

Same thing for switch on right turn .

So left side gets left lights only,
right side gets right lights only.

But still no flashing on either side.

Battery and generator checks out fine.
Engine not running, Battery reading is 6.49v.
Engine running, battery is 9.5v

Next, I took a voltage reading at the flasher terminal, with the engine running, and turn signal switch on, is 8.49v

So it would seem that voltages and wiring checks out fine.

Looking at this electronic flasher, it does not have any identifying markings as to voltage. Only the terminal markings L and B.
The box does have some markings, but does not say what voltage it is.

I'm thinking it MIGHT (maybe ?), be a 12v flasher ? ? ?
Is that possible ?

Ill try and attach a pic of the box markings.

Think I figured it out,
(I'm NOT very 'puter savvy, haahaha)

Here's my little scooter

Also, and just for the record,
(Just in case this may have some importance to the problem)...

... I DO HAVE the low beam wire to my headlight DISCONNECTED.

I did this on the advise from a CT90 mechanic that I knew a long time ago in California. I cant remember his name, but he was a pretty well known guy in a few of the Honda CT forums.
He lived in Yorba Linda (I think).
I had him do some work to this bike at the time, and I was very pleased with his knowledge and skills on all the little Honda bikes.
Heck he had about 30 of them in his garage, and working on them was his main hobby.

The idea behind disconnecting the low beam was to get more charge voltage to the battery while riding in the daytime.

Since we cant turn the headlight OFF on these bikes, he said many folks just disconnect the low beam terminal, and then leave the headlight switch on the low beam position .

On a 82 CT70 L is to the switch and X is power. I would think L on yours is to the switch. You may have bought a 12v flasher. I would look for one that says it is for a 6 volt or for a 6v ct70 that is if you cant find one for your ct90.

I have a 12v system and have used both of these and they work on my bike. Cheap enough to experiment with one on a 6v system. The other option you could try would be put incandescent in the front and led in the rear. It may work.

Deoodles said:

nd. One on the orange and one on the light blue so that when you do light the indicator it doesn’t cross into the other side I made a jig that had the diode’s in it so I could just plug them in and not cut wires

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Deoodles said:

The signal indicator is what’s going on go back and read post 2. you can get the signal indicator to work in the system but you need 2 diode’s and a ground. One on the orange and one on the light blue so that when you do light the indicator it doesn’t cross into the other side I made a jig that had the diode’s in it so I could just plug them in and not cut wires

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I would very much like to see the jig you made for this,and possibly make a copy of it to use on my bike.
I do not really want to cut any wires either if I can possibly avoid it.

I should be receiving the other flasher (that I ordered on Amazon) sometime next week.
once it arrives, and I give it a try, and then if the "No-Flash" problem still exists, then I suppose I'll have to build a little "jig" like yours.
But I'll wait to try the next flasher first.
I'm thinking that (Maybe), with the new flasher having the audible beeper built in,... it (Might) have the necessary load to function as desired (?)
We wont know until we try it, (and I don't mind being the Guinea Pig either)

Ok, so at 6:30pm, it finally got below 100 degrees outside, and I could tolerate being out there.
Per Allen's request, I reinstalled the front two 1129 17w incandescent bulbs and fired up the engine.
Hit the turn signal switch in both directions and guess what ? ... still no blinking.
So before anyone asks,
Yes,... the blinkers were all working properly, with the OEM flasher unit and all four 1129 bulbs installed.

This lends me to think even more, that the electronic flasher unit (now installed) MAY actually be a 12v unit.
I'm certainly no electrician, so I'm just guessing here... but my assumption was that if the turn signals started working with the two 1129 incandescent bulbs installed, then that would be a conformation that the circuit needed more load to get the flasher to work.

But here we have the electronic flasher installed,
Two LED bulbs in the rear,
Two incandescent 1129 17w bulbs in front,
Engine running,
And still no blinking.
Hmmmmm,... your thoughts ?

I am including a few pics to show the 6v LED bulbs I am currently using.
They are very short in length and have 9 led units on each bulb.

In the pic with the amber lens installed, you can see that there is well over an inch of clearance between the end of the bulb and the lens.
I may see if I can find even longer 6v Led bulbs (that have more than 9 units each).

My thoughts being that if I can find some longer LED bulbs, they should be even brighter, as well as have even more load to hopefully actuate a 6v electronic flasher unit ?
Your thoughts?

here's some links to a few examples I found on Amazon,
of larger/longer 6v LED bulbs. I may just go ahead and order a set to try out.
What do you guys think ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H95Q5PH/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ANKGTZDXORAEU&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075D85HK6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ANKGTZDXORAEU&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MNLL78X/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ANKGTZDXORAEU&psc=1

And this is the 6-12v flasher unit that should be here in about a week

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MXT36ZH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The flasher may work. Usually it’s trial and error. I’m starting to get motivated to pull mine out of storage and see how it ticks. I don’t remember what flasher I used either. I do t think the bulbs matter. I use some that are very short in the housing without issues

Wouldn’t you know it. I dug the bike out to get flasher info and here it is. No markings and no idea where I got it. Truly a one off. The bike has no battery and the motor was fogged when I put it in storage so I can’t turn them on right now. I am confirming this is a 6v points bike with all LED. Headlight, taillight, signals, and instruments and it does work. Give me time and I’ll get a shot of the diode jig

Okay. Here is what I did

The red are left and right signals the orange and light blue are harness signal wires. The orange to the indicator is feed from both left and right the taped jig is diodes to the orange indicator. Post diodes feeds orange indicator and light blue indicator it the new ground. The diodes are cheap from amazon

Got a little free time on my hand. Nice work checking out the turn signals. I still have 2 more and will recheck 'em soon.

I agree with Deoodles sketch on adding the 2 diodes for the TS indication lamp. This is required when using LED lamps for the turn signal. There is no way around it other than to remove the TS lamp.

Now on to the flasher. I have 2 more new ones here and they work fine on a meter lamp (6v 1.7w, #51), Tail light bulb (6v 17/5.3W, #1154), standard TS lamp (#1129) - individually or all connected together. The flash rate is the same on every low and high wattage bulb I have.

I can't find my 6v LED TS Lamps, but I don't think they'll draw any less current than a #51, and for sure much less than a standard lamp.

I am strongly leaning toward a flasher that has gone belly up. We should know for sure when the one on order from Amazon arrives.

I'm going to go mess with it again in a few minutes to triple check the terminals are plugged into to the correct spot.
Will also try putting all the 1129 incandescent bulbs back in and see of the electronic flasher will operate them properly. O will also check the original flasher too.

Ok so here's the findings and results,

1- the electronic flasher did not flash with all four LED bulbs in the turn signals.
2- the OEM flasher does not like ANY LEDs in the system. It will not flash even with 1 LED and 1 incandescent bulb.
But, with all 4 incandescent bulbs in, all is fine and everything flashes as it should.
3- the electronic flasher sure doesn't have much to it, AND, it certainly does NOT like trying to push the incandescent bulbs.

This became quite evident when it leaked all of the electrical smoke out of the tiny little component on top of the circuit board.
See attached pics.
It also farted out all of its stanky stank juice at the same time. Guess I'll have to order some replacement smoke and stank to refill it .

So for now, we are back to where we started with the four 1129 incandescent bulbs and the OEM flasher reinstalled and working well. Once I get the next flasher, well do the test all over again and see if that one can keep all of its smoke inside where it belongs !
LOL !

I think it was kaput even before this test. But for sure, it's done now. I remember looking at the specs on the part which does the heavy lifting (part that smoked) and it is rated for 10 amps...but I feel certain that was with a heat sink. This is not surprising, but I opened up an EMGO flasher and another one (can't remember brand), and guess what, they all had the same design inside.

You are were pulsing about 6 amps with 2 bulbs flashing.

Yep, the original Honda flasher will not work on with anything less than a couple 1129 bulbs. Anything less and it will not blink; anything more and the flash rate goes up.

I have another I can send you at any time. But I'll wait until you test the Amazon version if it's ok with you?

Allen
That sounds fine with me. No worries.
No sense in smoking another one.
I completely agree, Let's wait until the other one comes to see what it will do. It should be here next Friday or Saturday.
No fault on your part and no need to send another one.
Its all good on my end. No worries.
Cheers !

I spent some time looking for the flasher relay. No luck all the way back to 2017. Searching the internet I came up with the same wingmoto 6v 12v you found on amazon. That should work if you remove the indicator bulb and if you want the indicator you will need the diodes. Good luck.