1966 Honda S65 project

rabbie6

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picked up a 1966 Honda S65 project bike for some hand and wrist physiotherapy (long story)

should have stayed away from this thing! LOL
needs too many parts but after spending more in parts than I did on the bike itself, I am hoping to get it running - as soon as the correct set of points arrives.

found cmsnl online and 4into1 also has parts - nay toher suggestions?

thanks


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rabbie6

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cmsnl has lots but the prices are very high! 4into1 has great prices but few choices

can anyone confirm that the "hole" as seen on the lower right side of my picture is fine...
you can see the cylinder and head bolt hole as the rod would go all the way through the head and be seen in this emptiness. Each of the cylinder and head would have gaskets to seal them from oil leak so I am wondering if this was to save on material or for cooling?

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rabbie6

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the frame
the frame had some sort of rodent nest in it so pulled the motor out to get the rest of it and the dead bugs on top of the motor out and cleaned up - not restoring the bike as I prefer to just bring them back to life and have them run as is - history is not being re-written on my watch! LOL

are there any VIUN decoding sites? should the frame number ands motor number match?

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OLD CT

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They all have that hole. No, the rat didn't eat through it. It is for cooling. I am not in tune with s65's but ct70 engines are usually not exact matches. That one there looks like it has never been removed. Sure looks like no one even opened that clutch adj cover. You don't adjust under there usually. It is adjusted on the cable 99.9% of the time. Unless someone messed with it.. ;)
 

lukelaw1

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hole in head is normal,
The rat's nest is also normal, I should say typical.
The motor serial and VIN rarely exactly match, +-300 of vin is considered matching
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MiniBike Mike’s Garage

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I own a half dozen, or so, S65’s. There’s not a lot of info out there. They were produced in the last half of the 1960’s, maybe 65 thru 69. As with other horizontal Hondas of the time, Honda did not designate a model year to them. The frame number on each one starts “S65-AAxxxxxx” and they are sequentially numbered from the start of production to the end. The frame number doesn’t give any info regarding date built or frame color. Mine are all red, black or white….not sure if any other colors were available. None of mine came with turn signals, don’t know if any did.
 

rabbie6

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got spark on the lil' s65! but then had a disaster with brand new tappet covers! from CMNSL, hand screwed them on and they felt like they fit great, then ever so slightly tightened with a socket to see if they sealed and then I came back to remove them 2 weeks later and one would not budge?! took all my strength and a longer bar on rachet handle to get it to move. once removed it looked like it had fused itself to the cylinder head threads - completely melted looking - WTF?! head screwed so went looking for a new one and new covers - found an amazing deal on ebay for an s70 entire top end for $46 USD ($65 CAD) - came in yesterday - amazing! except now that I wasted money on complete gasket kit and tappet covers from elsewhere (extras are never a bad thing I suppose)

question: will the extra 5cc cause problems? or should I use the 65 cylinder, piston, cam shaft, etc or just replace everything since I have it all new now?

had to make a cork float bowl gasket as no one seems t have them but have found a much thinner rubber sheet that I might try to make another one out of

now if only I could get the inside of the gas tank clean! I have had rust restorer in it for over a month and shake it constantly, with screws and nuts in it to loosen crud, and empty it out, filter the rust restorer and then back in again and repeat....still lots of crud coming out and occassionally see screws stuck in the crevices of the tank...
 

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kirrbby

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You'll have to get the varnish out of that tank. Rust remover won't do it. Maybe a carb cleaner? Or solvent...MEK I think.. it's powerful shit. Don't breathe it.
 

Robert thran

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K.B.S sells a tank cleaner that works real good… they also sell a tank sealer kit ( cleaner, rust blast, sealer) that comes with the cleaner.. it’s nothing like the old cream sealer ..it drys silver and stays down..they have a video on there web site showing how it works…I’ve used it on several tanks with great results..
 

joel1234567

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Simple Green works surprisingly well on varnish.

Those tappet covers have somewhat thin sidewalls where the threads are. Surprised you would be able to use a lot of force to remove them, they usually just snap off first. You might be able to very carefully pick what is left in there out of one thin section, then the ring that appears to be frozen in there might come free from the threads for removal after it collapses a bit.

I don't know if that all makes any sense typed out, but I had one snap like that in a Cub some years ago and the threaded part left in there was removable with some patience.
 

rabbie6

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I own a half dozen, or so, S65’s. There’s not a lot of info out there. They were produced in the last half of the 1960’s, maybe 65 thru 69. As with other horizontal Hondas of the time, Honda did not designate a model year to them. The frame number on each one starts “S65-AAxxxxxx” and they are sequentially numbered from the start of production to the end. The frame number doesn’t give any info regarding date built or frame color. Mine are all red, black or white….not sure if any other colors were available. None of mine came with turn signals, don’t know if any did.
lots of countries had the turn signals - not the USA though - Canada did. CMSLN lists signals for Export elsewhere

do you have any good cylinder heads you might sell?
I bought one of those kits online that says CT70 and S65 but the dome piston doesnt smacks into the flatter head and the cylinder for the larger pisiton doesn't fit into the S65 cylinder, nor does the 70cc cylinder fit into the motor! so all those online listings saying the larger kits fit S65 are wrong! ouch...
 

ewdysar

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interesting this chart says 1970 but thought these were made from 1965-1969?
my frame says S65YA03347 but the motor has S65E-115451
The chart has other mistakes in it. Going from year 3 to year 4, the serial number jumps 60,000 to start, but goes back to normal to finish year 4. We all know that the S65 were produced from 1965 to 1969, and the chart shows 5 years of serial numbers. I would make the mental leap to say that those “years” go from 1965 to 1969, in spite of being labeled 1970. Given that, my S65 #S65AA024021 is a ‘65. With a #S65YA033247, yours also appears to be made the same year. Likewise, my engine is S65E-111585, your engine number appears to be about 4000 motors later.

Your serial number prefix of “YA…” is curious, I have only seen AA and AB numbers in person. Maybe the “Y” means something else, maybe country code? But that is a wild guess…

I bought my S65 used in 1976 and lost track of it moving around after high school. When my mom recently passed, I found my old ride gathering dust and rust in a shed at the back of her property. With the normal resurrection work, the bike started and I found out why it was parked. Second gear is shot, it acts like a ratchet, catches slowing down, slips (noisily) when trying to accelerate. I hear that this is a common failure for this model.

Right now, after moving north from California a year ago, much of my stuff, like the bike, boats, and a couple of Model Ts (with all associated spare parts and equipment) are packed up in storage while I get a car barn built on my property. So the transmission overhaul will have to wait until I’ve got the shop space to do it right. Hopefully, the shop is done before x-mas.

Eric
 
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