72 trail keeps fighting me

69ST

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With a brand new carb, weak ignition seems the most likely problem. However, I'd expect other indications to accompany this...hard starting, especially when cold, and some misfiring, possibly showing up as an uneven idle, or lack of power at high rpm. IMO, first step is getting the ignition performing up-to-snuff. These old-school breaker point ignitions work quite well, with visible & audible spark production that would do justice to a CDI...when everything is in tip-top condition.

Source a new spark plug, then bench test the ignition. If you don't see/hear a nice, miniature, lightning storm at the plug electrodes, time to find out why and make the appropriate correction. That does not leave many places to look, i.e. points & condenser. It doesn't take much to foul point contacts and they don't take kindly to filing. Condenser failures have also become much more commonplace than they ever were, though I suspect that some are caused by overheating, during soldering. Could be that a new plug gets you back up & running again.

Most of the reproduction carbs I've installed & tuned have been on the rich side, as-delivered. It usually takes a 1-2 groove height adjustment, of the jet needle, and a slight bit of tweaking of the throttle stop & pilot airbleed screws. Easy to figure out when you've gone too lean, you'll get bogging if it's the main fuel circuit, weak idle/hard starting/stalling if it's the pilot circuit. Other things that can foul a plug are excessive low-speed operation, bad fuel (which can mean a switch from summer to winter blend) and ambient air temp. The air/fuel mixture becomes effectively leaner as ambient air temp decreases; however, fuel atomization also degrades and it's possible to get pooling if enough gasoline condenses out of suspension, from the incoming air/fuel stream.

If the engine has an oil control problem, substantial enough to foul plugs, then you should see some bluish-white exhaust smoke...accompanied by that lovely, acrid, smell of burning motor oilo_O. Other traces...oiled plug threads, oil in the exhaust (port, or muffler), blackened & shiny intake port, oily valve stems.
 
This is a stock 1972 K1 3 speed?
It should have a 533A Keihin carburetor. First issue is that It should have a #58 main jet not a #60. The air adjustment screw should be 1-5/8 turns out from closed. The slide cap should be the thinner version with the taller internal slide. The clip should be in the second position from the top. Aside from the main jet, can you confirm everything else?
 

69ST

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In post #14 he mentioned that he went with a brand new repop carb.

As for jetting, pilot airbleed screw adjustment, and jet needle height, there are no universal by-the-numbers settings circa 2018...only good initial starting points. In most parts of the country, pump gas (even corn-syrup-free flavor) has been reformulated...to lean out effective A:F ratios. Thus, here in Siberia-on-the-Great Lakes, a lot of machines need the next larger main jet to compensate (with jet needle height that may differ), as well as richer pilot airbleed settings...usually closer to 1-1/4 turns out from seated.
 

wsurf4me

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Sorry for the absence, been tied up at work. I ordered new points and condensor, plan on going thru the bike today. I've checked the spark several times and it seems ok not sure how to tell if it's weak.
 

wsurf4me

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Well per racerx's advise I focused on the ignition system. I have replaced points in the past and the bike ran well for a short period of time. I had previously tested the condensor with a multimeter and it tested ok. I went ahead and replaced the condensor and wow what a difference. Before I had spark but now it is a nice big arc. The bike runs as expected now, after about 15 minutes of riding I pulled the plug and it's a tan to gray color.
 

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69ST

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That's electrical systems for you...simple problem, simple fix. The devil's in the diagnosis. Recently, I'm of the opinion that replacement is the most accurate way to test a condenser. At least it's inexpensive.

Anyhoo, glad to see that you're back up & running.:red70:
 

red69

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Not to say I told you so, but I went through this myself and racerx suggested replacing the condenser even though everything looked good. Bob had said that recent condensers were prone to give up early.
 

wsurf4me

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Not to say I told you so, but I went through this myself and racerx suggested replacing the condenser even though everything looked good. Bob had said that recent condensers were prone to give up early.

You're right red, I should have listened when you suggested it. It tested ok with a multimeter but that obviously isn't a good test.

That's electrical systems for you...simple problem, simple fix. The devil's in the diagnosis. Recently, I'm of the opinion that replacement is the most accurate way to test a condenser. At least it's inexpensive.

Anyhoo, glad to see that you're back up & running.:red70:

I'm with you, had to learn it the hard way but I'm not forgetting this one. Probably will never own anything else with a condenser but I'm still not forgetting.
 
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