Brake Light not working...please help

Tyler Newman

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I have a 1970 CT70H. I purchased a new wire harness and was able to get everything working except the break light. The bulb is new and front and back switch are also new. I have been trying for 5 days to figure this out and no luck. Is there a trick?
 

Deoodles

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Power passes thru the foot pedal switch and the front brake cable switch. Can you verify there is no power at both locations. Also check the bulb socket to frame ground.
 

Tyler Newman

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Deoodles. Thanks for helping. I need to get a Fluke to test but I did switch the wire to one that I know is hot and it did not work. I do have the taillight grounded and the lights work when I turn the key to top position, just no stop light. Shouldn't it work with any hot wire?
 

Deoodles

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The power for the tail light also powers the brake light it has to go thru one of the switches first then to the second Filiment in the tail bulb. You are using the correct bulb I hope. Yes you will need a multimeter. Harbor freight sells dirt cheap ones that work. The horn also gets power from the same source
 

69ST

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If the rear brake light switch/spring, is out of adjustment. The brake light could be always on...making you think that it's the taillight... working properly.
Unless it's out-of-adjustment at the other extreme, in which case the circuit would never close and there'd be no power.

It's sometimes easier to do these diagnoses with a continuity tester or/and voltmeter, but not always...let alone necessary. Two simple & free tests...
One, pull the rear brake switch down by hand, to simulate normal operation. If the brake light works, you know it's merely an adjustment issue. If not, do a second follow-up test by unplugging the brake light switch, then connecting those two harness leads; that should deliver battery voltage to the brake light circuit. Still no joy, time to check the wire harness; there may be a broken, or disconnected lead, upstream.
 

Tyler Newman

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Thanks to everyone for helping the rookie out with this. Keep the comments coming. I am going through the process of elimination and I will fix this if it kills me. I have tried the suggestions but no luck yet. I tested the wire and the “red” it hot. My next questions are…Is the “brown/red” wire also supposed to be hot? Does the engine have to be started for the brake light to work? I have all wires connected to the engine but don’t want to put in gas tank until I figure the electric out. I suspect now that I have a bad wire harness since I noticed two of the wires so far had to be re-spliced but want to eliminate a few other ideas before I buy another harness.
 

69ST

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The TL/BL combo uses battery power so, no, the engine doesn't have to be running...or even in the bike. Only the HL circuit, i.e. HL bulb & high beam indicator are AC-powered and only while the engine is running. Just take things one logical step at a time and you'll get there. Wiring is intimidating, to most, the first time a problem has to be tracked-down. Keep in mind, the reason for this is the fact that there's not very much to be seen, no process that's visible in real time, unlike a mechanical issue like a punctured tires, oil leak, brake that doesn't work properly, etc. On the other hand, the system is simplicity itself, just multiplied by the number of individual leads. Now, take a deep breath and consider the methodology at it's most basic...one lead, or one device (switch, bulb, or horn) at a time is the only way to work on these electrical systems. That's the same for anyone, regardless of experience level...can't get any simpler than that. Where the anxiety level skyrockets is when that color-coded spaghetti is viewed in its "natural" and usually mangled, state.

Thus, the easiest way to inspect, and repair, a wire harness is while it's laying on your bench. IMO, there's a damned good chance that you'll see the problem. Armed with a schematic, a continuity tester, and patience, you will find any breaks or shorts. Equipped with a soldering gun, shrink tubing and electrical tape, it is possible to repair the wiring and do a first-rate job of it. I would, however, consider the price of a reproduction wire harness, before completing the reassembly of the bike. Less than $45 can bring a minty-new wire harness to your door...and that should be plug
& play.
 

Tyler Newman

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So the riddle continues. I am starting to figure this out but my question for today....

There are basically 4 wires coming off the harness. Three are doubles with Green, Red, and Brown/Red. My Brown/Red does not have any volts. Is it supposed to? I have switched the headlights to the Red to make them work but they are supposed to go to Brown/Red? Is there a trick to this? Getting headlight to work on Brown/Red?

I confirmed that it is not the wire harness. I tried another old harness of a parts bike and had the SAME problems with the Brown/Red. The only deductive reason left is I have a bad key switch (but it is also brand new from Honda). Anyone have an experience with this?
 

Deoodles

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Does this help?
 

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69ST

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I'm now wondering if you have the wrong keyswitch.

FYI the HL circuit is fed AC and only when the engine is running. You can unplug the harness from the engine (stator) then feed battery DC power to both the white & yellow (HL) feed...powering everything without alternator power. Can't run like this but it's fine for testing/troubleshooting.
 
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