Early CT70 Production Numbers and Build Dates: CT70KO to CT70K4

cjpayne

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I can't either, but for some reason I habitually type it that way.lol
 

Bootboiler

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Registry

Thanks, Registry is...

K-ZERO ;)
Build Date 3/70
Vin 167995
Eng 167654
Blue
KO
Miles 4500

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kirrbby

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If the tag says 10/69 I call that a 69. The early years didn't go by year. They were a K0, K1, K2... You have a late 69 K0 CT70..."black tag". Earlier 69's has a silver headtag with no date or VIN number..."silvertag". I think it was late 71 when they started building the K1 models. Before that they are all K0's. Your new bike is a K0 with a low VIN #.
 

Daegan

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I'm not sure I understand the K0. My bikes all fall within the production numbers so I have little with regard to reference personally. Someone here showed a K0 as:

KOs. The vin # is CT70-284602

How does that factor in if production was 185K?

What am I not understanding?
 

Daegan

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The very first bike was #100001 +185000 285000

That is what I figured it must be. Thanks for the clarification.

This MG is pretty close to the end of the line at 7049.

So excited about the new bike, I updated my profile with a new photo. Although this is not an actual photo of the bike, it is close. I think the emblems are wrong for the year... :)
 
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Daegan

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I wonder what the first K1 sold to the public was. I have a one with chassis# 2000997 and engine#200894. I was thinking at the very least this was the first or second week of production.

I bet it was easily, a first week build.

Interesting. My HK1 is 2000935 and 200858. That is a pretty similar spread. 103 & 77. That is the HK1 but still. By 2003156 the number spread on HK1 seemed to grow to 328 with one month production difference by the tags 8/71 to 9/71. At least from my bikes.

Makes sense that they would reject a proportionate number of frames across the two models, as they were the same, and those number differences would grow between the lower engine and higher frame. Considering that, a higher number engine would be an indication of a potential engine swap regardless of how close numbers are, right? I mean, it sounds right.
 
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Mini Trail

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This thread is very informative and will help me in the future as well with others.

I picked up a CT70 but I'm having trouble figuring out what model? For starters, the production date is 12/70, frame# 229635, eng# CT70E-229607. Heres where I get confused, Its a manual with a clutch. 3spd not 4spd? The linkage lever next to the rear right foot brake is there for the cable if it was an auto, right. Also, I thought that if it was a true manual bike it would have an H in the VIN and eng #?
So why I think its a 3spd? Well I got it up and running and went through the gears and could only get 3. It also kept jumping out of gear. So I opened up the side cover and saw the screw holding the shifter drum cam loose, I only recognized it as a 3spd. Question is, did someone convert my Auto bike to a manual or were they all built with the rear brake linkage and 3spd's?

Sorry for the long first post but this has me baffled.
 

Mini Trail

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Dudes! Not that anyones cares but today I went to the last registered owners place to get the BOS. and met the old cuss! He told me he didn't have any Honda mini bikes and thats when i showed him the old plate and he instantly remembered. He said " that thing still alive!" Anyways, I got the bill of sale and heard all the stories of his kids riding it around. He also told me that his kids constantly kept wearing out the clutch. Thats when he told me that he'd converted it to a manual! I was blown away when he said that, as I had not seen that done before and now it makes sense seeing what I've got. Man, sure was kewl meeting with him and hearing about the bike.
Anyways, I've replaced the clutch basket/clutch as a complete unit. Its the manual 4 bolt basket and all the associated parts to make it a HKO 3spd.
 

Micah

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70h-2014702 This is my frame vin. My engine is a new so I don’t know on it... if I want to title it how can I do that? Don’t I need a longer vin?
 
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lukelaw1

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70h-2014702 This is my frame vin. My engine is a new so I don’t know on it... if I want to title it how can I do that? Don’t I need a longer vin?

your vin will be:

CT70H-2014702 on the title. The DMV wont go by the motor serial/vin number.

As far as titling a lot of people have done the Vermont registration process with great success. There is a thread on lilhonda about the whole process. What state are you in? It varies state to state. i also believe there is a titling by state thread on lilhonda as well.
 

kirrbby

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The vin numbers on our vintage bikes ARE too short...by today's standards. But they are correct and legal for our vintage CT70's.
X2>lukelaw1^^^What state are you in??
 
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Micah

New Member
your vin will be:

CT70H-2014702 on the title. The DMV wont go by the motor serial/vin number.

As far as titling a lot of people have done the Vermont registration process with great success. There is a thread on lilhonda about the whole process. What state are you in? It varies state to state. i also believe there is a titling by state thread on lilhonda as well.
I’m in Indiana
 
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