Getting Legal In Ontario

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  1. da1nonlysteven

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    So since I can't do it according to the ministry, how did you Ontarians get it street legal?


    This was the response I recieved.


    Dear Steven:



    Thank you for your e-mail. Due to the high volume of e-mail requests, the ministry has been experiencing delays in responding. Please accept my apologies.



    I have been advised the following:



    The Honda “Mini Trailâ€￾ CT 70 K2 fits the description of an off road vehicle. Note the following sample of a CT 70 compliance label. Also the physical description is consistent, in which such a vehicle is designated “mini bikeâ€￾, for off-road use only. Upgrading engine power to increase top speed does not qualify the bike for on-road operation. There are no modifications that may be performed on the bike that will enable it to be registered for on-road operation.







    CT 70 compliance label from on-line copy of an owner’s manual





    From: Honda Mini Trail CT-70 Mini Bike Owners Manual (Pages 1-6)



    If you require further assistance, please contact the ServiceOntario Driver and Vehicle Licensing Contact Centre at 416-235-2999 or toll free at 1-800-387-3445 (Canada wide).



    Sincerely



    Joanne Tresp

    Senior Enquiry Analyst

    Licensing Administration and Support Office






    -----Original Message-----

    Client Name: Steven Gill

    Detailed Description:
    I had my motorcycle registered and insured as an off road vehicle, and after replacing the engine I would like to register it as a motorcycle. How do I go about doing this and what documentation do I need? The motorcycles info is as follows:

    1973 Ct70 K2
    110 cc's of Displacement
    Max Speed 90 kph



    Thanks,

    Steven Gill
     

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  3. a_smerek

    a_smerek Member

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    Hi Steve

    Has your bike ever been registered in Ontario? Is it registered off road?

    If your bike has never been registered, it's simple to get it on road. If you have registered it as an offroad bike, you have it offroad for good

    Several PMT members have bikes onroad in Ontario. As long as the bike is:

    1. Already an on-road bike with ownership
    2. Never been registered

    It can be brought on road. An offroad ownership is set in stone

    What paperwork do you have?
     
  4. da1nonlysteven

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    Well I have proof of ownership, and proof of title and insurance when needed. It is currently registered off road, but with modifications it could be made street legal correct? What would these mods be? I think the only thing it needs now (After the new engine) Is a handlebar rear view mirror. I used this site to check for on road status. As far as I think I would only need it to pass a safety test/inspection to be certified for on road. I found someone willing to do it for 60 pass or fail. What I take from her response is that a CT70 can NEVER be registered as off road.

    Highway Traffic Act - R.R.O. 1990, Reg. 611


    Steven
     
  5. a_smerek

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    Hi Steve

    Is this off road ownership an Ontario off road ownership?

    If you have an Ontario off road ownership for the bike you can't change it to on road. I have heard rumors this is possible by going out of province and doing a re-register, then back to Ontario to repeat the process

    If you have an Ontario off road ownership your probably never going to get an on road ownership for the bike, it may be more hassle than the bike is worth

    The best way forward is probably getting an on road titled frame and moving over your parts

    The CT is absolutely a street legal bike in Ontario and insurance companies will cover it. You will need an on road ownership before you can get a safety

    How street legal the bike is has nothing to do with registering it less the safety

    If your ownership is from another province or country you are probably just fine, don't take that to the ministry at all. All you need to do is a VIN search. If the system does not find your VIN, you do an affidavit swearing the bike is not stolen and show a hand written purchase receipt. They will create your VIN as an on road bike and you can go from there

    The ministry can do this for you directly at the office, you don't need a lawyer at all

    You can do a VIN search online for $10 to check if your VIN exists in the Ontario system. I do this before I buy a bike if intent is riding it on road

    Don't ask the ministry questions, and don't volunteer any information, your best to go in, get paper work done, and get out ASAP

    It is a shame people register a street legal bike as an off road bike. It really doesn't make sense to me why anyone would do this, and it really hurts the resale value too
     
  6. da1nonlysteven

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    Well I do have a province of Ontario off road plate on it now, and I think I should be able to do this. Maybe a trip to the MTO may clear some things up for me. And the vin was checked when the bike was registered off road and it should come up in my name. BTW, where can I ride the off road plate legally? I heard that brock township is the only one that allows them.

    Steven
     
  7. a_smerek

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    Hi Steven

    I don't think you can take the green plated bike and convert it. You can ask the MTO if there is a way to do it, but I highly doubt it

    I have seen many dual sport bikes for sale 25% under value that are green plated. If you could convert a bike I'm sure these people would be to get market value on resale

    You can check with a local dual sport club in your area, they have rides that are organized for trails where your green plate / blue plate is required

    The green plate is usually required for trails rides through the dual sport clubs for bikes that are not street legal

    Its unfortunate you did not blue plate the bike when they created the VIN
     
  8. alexmenary

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    Hey where did you send that email to try and get your bike street legal. I cant find an email to send it to and I am also looking at getting a bike legalized.
     
  9. a_smerek

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    If you want to street plate a CT70 in Ontario all you need is an on road ownership, and the usual other things to register any bike or car

    A CT70 is no different than any motorcycle in Ontario, they are 100% street legal

    If your bike has been registered as 'off road' you likely cannot convert the ownership (easily anyways) Those bikes rarely if ever can be converted to an 'on road' bike

    If your bike has no ownership you can get one having only the VIN directly from the MTO office. You will have to do an affidavit at the MTO and pay, but they will do it right there. You can check your VIN online for under $10 to ensure it was never registered and is not stolen. Most CT70's were never registered, in this case you are in the clear to get ownership and road plate.

    If your bike has an on road ownership, you just register as any bike

    When you enter an MTO, keep your mouth shut. Do not volunteer any information. If they ask you questions, reply you don't know and just want to register your motorcycle. Do not use the words 'dirt bike', 'mini bike' etc... Most of the people who work at the MTO do not know anything about bikes, nor do they care to know. Hand them the paper work, pay, and GET OUT

    SS_Canuck has a vintage Bultaco trials bike with on road ownership. The person at the MTO does not care what you have, they are only there to take your money and give you a slip. Ironically enough that trials bike came from factory with all the street legal gear anyways : )
     
  10. da1nonlysteven

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    Well I have it registered as an offroad vehicle. Once again all I think I need is an inspection. Turn in the old plates and Voila! and I do have a current ownership for the bike.

    Hopefully,

    They have the VIN# in the system and it is in there because the bike was imported. So hopefully I am there soon.

    Also I sent an e-mail to the MTO. It was just a general e-mail that was sent.

    Thanks,

    Steven Gill
     
  11. da1nonlysteven

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    Finally made some headway with the ministry today !!!! I said "Change from Off-Road VIN to ON road". I know that I need to add signals and a rear view mirror, and fix the horn! Other than that I should be good to go! The only thing that I might fail on that I am not planning to change are tires, they show sign of a little wear and few hairline cracks!

    To change it you need :

    1. Complete An Application For Registration
    2. Proof of current Ownership
    3. Sworn Affadavit ( Make, Model, Year, VIN # etc.)
    4. Description of Changed/ Removed equipment required to pass inspection.
    5. Sworn That the changes made meet the criteria for the Motorcycle class.
    *** 3,4,5 all in the Affadavit ****
    6. Get it inspected + passed with a safety standards certificate
    7. Surrender all old off road plates
    Costs. 60 $ Inspection, 20 $ Regestration fee, 42$ for sticker for a year.

    I should be able to squash this out hopefully during christmas. I want to ride it come may! Let me know If I seem unclear about any of this!

    Thanks,

    Steven Gill
     
  12. a_smerek

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    Hi Steven

    This is very similar to what I have been told in the past, and despite doing these things have still been rejected

    Just keep your mouth shut if you are not sure, and don't offer any new information

    That is about all you can do. At the end of the day the knowledge and mood of the person at the front desk is basically the law

    Get the right person, you are golden, the wrong one you are in trouble

    Just like getting pulled over by a cop basically

    Good luck

    If you pull this off you will be the only person I have ever heard of to convert a green to blue plate bike within the province
     
  13. da1nonlysteven

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    Lets see what I can do ! Does anyone have a copy of their motorcycle inspection in Ontario so that I can see EXACTLY what I need. I am not in my hometown so I am unable to pursue this.

    Thanks,

    Steven Gill
     
  14. a_smerek

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    the motorcycle standards are set for all bikes, with the exception of the statement 'where prescribed'

    what this means is all bikes have the same standards, for what equipment they did not come with

    if your ct came with signals, you need them, if it did not, you do not

    again, it really depends on the mechanic

    there is a member on this site that has a highly unsafe bike that should never have been safetied, and it was done so without any issues

    it really comes down to how well the mechanic / shop does their job, and cares about the safety of motorists compared to making a quick $
     
  15. da1nonlysteven

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    Perfect thanks!

    Steven
     
  16. Bandit Bill

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    Not sure if your sig is up to date, but Fast Trails Performance out of Kleinberg has a decent priced oil cooler
    Fast Trails Performance - High Efficiency Race Oil Cooler Kit

    I put this one on my CT with 140cc Lifan. You need to build the mounting for it.

    They've also got a decent looking enough exhaust available there at an economic enough price also - i haven't seen this one in person.
    Fast Trails Performance - Race Exhaust-Black

    I used another exhaust from a different vender for my CT build.
     
  17. a_smerek

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    I've used both those products from fasttrails. They are both pretty good (not high end but decent enough for an everyday rider)

    The pipe may need some tweaking but it will fit, the oil cooler is alright too just don't go cheap on the fittings for the lines

    Better yet get good lines fit to your bike. Having an oil cooler line pop off in a corner and coat the back tire in oil is not fun

    Any local pipe shop can fit up lines for the cooler. I paid $90 at PACA for mine, and it was well worth the price
     
  18. Bandit Bill

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    I/We've kind of well and truly thread-jacked this eh? LOL

    The oil cooler i ordered from them came with the fittings and lines - i didn't see anything wrong with the Banjo bolts supplied, but i did use another set of higher-grade stainless fittings that I had sitting around. The oil lines themselves as provided were good - certainly better than others i've seen provided with other kits sourced from China. Plenty of line to route correctly to the underside of the motor from a frame top mount position.

    I haven't ordered that pipe, but i did recently order a V8 Speed Source pipe for a C70 project recently, and for the money was well enough impressed. He's selling them for about $50 less than anyone else. As you say - they aren't top shelf items .. but not everyone has a Takegawa budget.

    Both items were next-day delivered at regular postage rates.

     
  19. a_smerek

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    Hi Steven

    Do you have any update on this?

    I'm curious to see if you are able to convert the green plate to blue. I am looking at another green plate bike I would like for street riding. The green plate makes it cheap to buy, if it can be converted I can get a good deal

    thanks

    Aaron
     
  20. jucli

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    Hi,
    it is a pretty old converstaion, but i am wondering i i could plate / insure my z50a 1969 in Ontario. I do not have ownership, just a bill of sales. I am not looking to use it daily, just make sure that i can go on the road when i test drive it !
    Thanks !
     

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