ID Tag removal and rivets for painting

[Clark]

Hi All,

Is it customary when painting a frame to remove the ID tag during paint prep? I am making a complete color change, so that may make a difference in the answer. How did you remove the tiny rivets and where did you find replacements?

Thanks,

Clark

 

[69ST]

Leaving the VIN tag in place is not the right way to go about refinishing. Between masking, media blasting, painting & sanding, the odds of damaging the tag are high anyway. Removing the VIN tag isn't the easiest task either. If you have a surgeon's touch, sometimes it is possible to lift the drive screws, using a single-edge blade, just enough to pull them with miniature Vise-grips. Most times, you'll have to carefully file the heads flat and drill them out. Difficulty-wise, it's about on par with the blade trick but the odds of success are a lot better. Lastly, you should heat the steering tube, gently, from the inside using a heat gun. This will soften the adhesive enough to lift the tag, gently, with a single-edge blade. If you overheat the VIN tag, the black background will turn brown & fade.

Once the tag has been safely removed and the frame refinished, it can be reattached using 3M super trim adhesive. You'll need to source replacement drive screws (the rivets). My preference is to use brass drive screws...but that's sure to piss-off the purists

 

[HymieP]

What about a replacement in the event the tag is damaged? I contacted Honda they said no. How or who could stamp the correct V.I.N. on the replacement? Thanks

 

[mrichard]

I have never had to have one stamped, but I did talk to an engraving shop and showed him the tag. I was told they could stamp a new tag if I needed one. So try a trophy or engraving shop. I found that either size #1 or #0 were right for drive screws. If you can't find they let me know I believe I have a 100 of both so I could spare a couple Mine are not brass though.

Mike

 

[69ST]

If you need a replacement VIN tag, send me a PM. You'll have to handle the finishing details on your end, including drilling holes for the drive screws. In addition to the suggested sources for number stamping, some locksmiths can do this as well.

 

[Clark]

id tag removal

Thank you all for the replies.

I am picturing these rivets as smooth shank pins that are hammered into mushroom against the steel in the collar. Using the term "drive screw" indicates to me that there could be concentric rings like threads that grab the edges of their holes and no mushrooming is necessary. Which is a correct description? I would help me to visualize what's happening as I pull these things out.

Thanks very much!

My tag is damaged a bit, but the date print is too important to me to replace with a new one with out the date and the cutting a window into the adhesive tag (racerx's cool solution) to expose the serial number stamp would only show the damaged area and cover the good part.

 

[dennis d]

vin tag

Get one from Jerry's z50 and Stuff and he can print your date of mfg. on it and then you can cut the window for your stamped vin # as long as it's in good condition.That's what i did on mine and it worked great.Jerry charges $25.00 and sends you two of them in case you mess one up.He can print the vin # on it if you like ,but it's printed and not stamped.

Good luck,
Dennis

 

[dennis d]

vin tag

Mike, (mrichard)
Did you get my PM ?

Thanks, Dennis

 

[69ST]

Actually, drive screws have helical grooves on the shanks. That's what gives them solid grip, no adhesive required.

For what it's worth, I've seen examples of printed decal-type VIN tags replacements. They looked pretty good, too. However, this is one item where I'd go the extra mile and get a metal replacement with the numbers stamped into the plate, as per original. Can't help but wonder if a printed, as opposed to stamped, VIN could raise the wrong eyebrows at some point. Every factory VIN tag I've ever seen, regardless of make, model, year or type of vehicle had stamped (debossed) numbers. I suspect that this is widely known by collectors & law enforcement.

 

[Art]

When I painted my bike I lifted the edges enough to tape up the tag and do my paint prep.
When I was finished, I cut two strips of two sided emblem tape and stuck it back down.


(Sorry for the huge image)

 

[Clark]

Id tag removal

Hi Art,

I wonder what rubs on the id plates that rubs off the paint. Nice job without pulling the thing off....

So I did pull mine off using the flat blade method followed but a little wood chisel once I got the head bent back a little. One head broke off and the other pin went for a flight someplace. No damage done to the plate.

A year or so ago, I bought a new id tag from Classic Honda. In addition to the date problem, the text's font is much thicker on the new one and it would be easy to tell its not original. Still worried about finding another set of pins. I'll try the hardware store.

I checked out Jerrys. The window idea seems good, but my serial number isn't perfect.

My serial number is stamped from the back of the tag. I thought I could use typical number punches, but they would have to be mirror imaged.

Clark

 

[Art]

I believe the OEM throttle cable rubs the tags.
Go HERE and do a search for DRIVE BOLTS

 

[MSZ]

While it's been much to long for me to remember removing the vin plate on my CT70HK0, on the Z50's they use a rivet that can be carefully tapped out from the inside of the steerer tube. I actually had the opportunity to reuse my original Z50 rivets by tapping them out from the backside, polishing the heads and after repaint, tapping them back in with a dab of epoxy and some 3M trim adhesive on the back of the vin plate.

Can you see the rivet from the inside of the steerer tube on a CT? Again, it's been too long since I had to do that.

 

[69ST]

Can you see the rivet from the inside of the steerer tube on a CT? Again, it's been too long since I had to do that.

Dan, this is one of the idiosyncrasies of the CT70's unibody construction. The structural component of the steering tube is actually encased inside what can be seen externally. Not only is it impossible to pop the drive screws out from inside the steering tube, even drive screw length is limited.

The percentage of VIN tag drive screws that can be removed & reused is inversely proportional between Z50s & CT70s.

 

[swanni06]

As for getting the screws out its been covered well,to peel the plate off and not bend it ,get a hair dryer and aim it into the steering neck on hi heat.It will get the glue warm enough to get it off and not burn it.It will take a bit but well worth it.

 

[dennis d]

Clark,
Try contacting (Mike) mrichard, here on the site.He sent me some and they're perfect.

Dennis

 

[unit5alive]

I tapped my original rivets back in with a 1/4" thick piece of wood and a small hammer , with no damage to the face of the rivets , Craig.

 

[darrel gunderson]

Sir, I just bought a ct70 HKO and it was missing the vin tag. Am doing a frame up restoration. I need a vin tag? How do I go about getting one from you. Please help. Thanks. Just started posting a while back. Hope I am doing this correctly?

 

[ez50]

VIN tag

OK guys, does this sound like a job for boosted1 on the metal decal remakes? :39: Is the metal printed or decal placed on the metal? If they are printed metal that would be awesome. All we'd need is inverted letter & # punches in the right size.

 

[hornetgod]

I found that either size #1 or #0 were right for drive screws. If you can't find they let me know I believe I have a 100 of both so I could spare a couple Mine are not brass though.
Mike

Mike thanks again for the drive screws. I bet you've bails several of use out with them.