Title in Ohio

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  1. Craig B

    Craig B New Member

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    I picked up a CT70HK0 a few months ago and am getting tired of just riding in the yard. I petitioned my local Clerk of Courts for a title and have a case management hearing next week. I want to go in with all the info I can to help my case. I need to prove the bike is mine. I need to prove to them that most people never registered these bikes What else can you guys think of? Appreciate the help. Craig
     

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    Make sure you take off any sticker that says for off road use only ,before you take a picture of it, or before you bring it in person if needed. Every state DMV is different and I hope yours is more forgiving and leniant than Wisconsin. Hopefully someone from Ohio will comment.
     
  4. Craig B

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    Thanks hondaman. I even called the AMA. They were not able to help, but are very interested in what happens. They have had several calls about getting titles for CT's. I hope I'm not wasting my time and money. (or the taxpayers)
     

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    Tried my local police, they will not check the vin. A Honda dealer said that it was a good number, but no information attached. Any way to check the VIN and show it is not stolen or has a lien? By the way the motor VIN is 188 numbers off. Is that normal?
     

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    I'm watching this thread to see how it goes for you. I have some titled and some not. The title office in licking county wasn't much help. The Ohio State Patrol has to do the inspections for $65.00 if I remember correctly. That will show that the vin is correct. But it goes downhill from there, the bikes don't have the new 17 digit serial number. The title office can only search vin's with the 17 digit serial number. Some of the title offices have the old title's from the previous owner (1-back) but that's it. If the title has changed recently then they have that information available.

    But, in my case, I have a bill of sale, don't know if the bike was ever titled, don't know how many different owners have owned the bikes ect.ect. The title office can only advise me to get it inspected to "find" the serial number. So I asked what can be done after the serial number is "found". Their reply was that they didn't know but they need this first. The other thing that was brought up is that the OSP can verify the vin and create a new vin that can be titled. However this is supposed to be a new plate OSP style not like an original. I have not done either at this time.---$65 to "find" the serial---or drop the value of a nontitled bike farther.

    Then the fight with the BMV should be fun to try to get tags. Keep posting on your progress-and good luck.
     
  7. Craig B

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    Just got off the phone with the Ohio State Patrol. Apparantly you need a court order to even get your VIN checked. I'll probably get arrested for recieving stolen property. I even searched for old Honda ads that say these are street legal. Couldn't find one. My hearing is tomorrow, any info would be appreciated.
     
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    To answer your first question, yes, it is normal for the VIN numbers on the engine and frame to be off up to 200-300 #'s. From what I have read Ohio is one of the hardest states to get a title for these in. Some have success, others dont. Your case is the first that I have ever heard of needing to go to court to prove that the bike is yours/street legal. I would say that the VIN tag on the steering head would be enough to prove that considering it says that it conformed to all laws when manufactured. Next time you buy one of these bikes bring a bill of sale with you (you can find templates for them on the internet) and have the previous owner sign it. Not only does it prove that the bike is yours, but if a VIN check ever pops up as stolen then you wont be at fault. Saves you a lot of hassle, and the BMV always likes "paper work" :45:

    Ps: If you have no way of proving that the bike is yours or you didnt steal it, I would say that your attempts at proving that it wasnt (going to the police, trying to get the VIN checked) would be enough to prove that it is yours. Good luck and keep us Ohio members updated! I am sure there are many people on here from Ohio that would appreciate some input on how to title there bikes.
     
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    As for the VIN as long as its max 300 from frame up or down its most likely the original engine. With a Ct70 a spot on match is ultra rare and only if you stamp it yourself.
     
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    The title office was sending me to a OSP post that does out of state inspections and safety inspections. The purpose was to verify the vin. Not to do a search of ownership for the vin, which I would think would come later. Just clearing up what I was to told----me having the vin wasn't acceptable to them.
     
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    Try going through Vermont - easy with a bill of sale. Then Ohio will accept the Vermont paperwork. Vermont will cost you $70-ish bucks and will be good for a year but you get no title, just a plate and registration.

    Search for Vermont registrations here - I have posted about it a number of times. Or you can PM me privately.

    Rick
     
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    What a pain in the @$$. I will be certain to pre-register/title all my toys in California before moving home.
     
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    You may be absolutely right, Bill. I have to wonder, and cringe, when someone is legitimately pointing out CA as an example of a comparatively easy place to getting something done(!) Not to mention what it says about the bureaucracy in OH...:13:
     
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    I have an out of state service transfer mine . The price has went up significantly . Haven't done one in a while , but makes it simple . Good luck .
     
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    I have a sinking feeling that eventually No CT will be allowed on the road that is not already titled and licensed.
    Its getting harder every year and even International title service has become unreliable and very expensive. Better do what you can to get them done now while you are still able to so. CTs that are licensed and titled have and will continue to go for even higher prices. Without that title and license they are basically a lawn ornament, unless you have your own private land to run them on. Here in Wisconsin you can forget about getting a road license unless you have a clear title. The DMV has always been very unhelpful and definetly will not go out of there way to help you here. More and more states are following suit. Its a shame but it is the facts.
     
  16. Craig B

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    GREAT NEWS! I went in for my hearing, sat down with the staff attorney and prosecuting attorney. He hands me a piece of paper and says "everything looks in order, the judge will sign your decree tomorrow, and you can pick it up next week".
    I will post a detailed description of what I did when I get a chance (I'm at work now). A big thanks for everyones help. Craig
     
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    Congratulations! This makes me very excited. I have been convinced for a while now that I would never be able to title any of my bikes.
     
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    Good for you! I was beginning to think it was impossible to title and register one of these beauties in the "Buckeye State. I inherited my Grandfather's K2 when my Grandmother passed away earlier this year. It hasn't been registered since 1991, just before he passed away. I'm certain to have some issues once I return home to get it street worthy again. Additionally, my Dad bought an early KO last year, in Ohio and is asking me how to title and register it.
     
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    Don't know that I'd be jumping to many conclusions on the future of titling vintage vehicles, at least for the reasonably near-term. No question, Ohio views the motoring public as a cash cow/ATM. That's not exactly news, it's been that way almost as long as I can remember. It's only one state, there are another 49.

    Some states have made it easier to title, register, & insure vintage vehicles. Collector vehicles have gone mainstream. Thus, I expect that there will always be ways of clearing the legal hurdles that stand between you and making your vintage CT road legal. IMHO, "follow the money" will be the underlying driver. Some jurisdictions will trot-out more hoops through which you'll have to jump...but the bottom line will really be about the bottom line more than anything else.

    If I'm right, then it may boil down to a combination of increased timeframes and fees...but still possible. Having to pay $250 instead of $75, over a period of several weeks instead of a single day is a pain in the ass. That said, would it really be enough to discourage you from making your prized vintage bike, or two, road-legal?

    It's still little early in the game to conclude that the sky is falling, just yet. Knowledge is power and perhaps the info needed to get through the process will be shared here, avoiding heartbreak for a number of riders.:4:
     
  20. Craig B

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    I will share everything. Figured I would wait and see how the VIN verification goes, title office and registration before I claim victory.
     
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    Hit a roadblock today. I loaded up my ct and drove to the Ohio State Patrol inspection garage for my VIN verification as requested by the court. As soon as I rolled it in, the officer said my CT is not for on road use. To make a long story short he gave me permission to get a title that states "off road use". Believe me when I say I tried. The officer was so mad he was shaking and finally told me to load up my bike and leave. No appeals and no supervisor to talk to. He told me to get a certified letter from Honda stsating they are built for on road use. I sent all the info to the AMA. Is there anybody with an Ohio title that can check and see what it says?
     

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