Ugh... Clinton running for POTUS
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OLD CT
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$165 a month here! Must be O' bummers fault! :21: If Donny fixes one thing, EXPENSIVE O' bummer care. Then he is worth his weight in gold!
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From the NY times:
WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.
Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.
Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.
Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.
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Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.
The president-elect’s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, declined a request for comment, as did nearly a dozen corporate executives, consultants and lobbyists serving on his transition team, which was outlined in a list distributed widely in Washington on Thursday.
A number of the people on that list are well-established experts with no clear interest in helping private-sector clients. But to critics of Mr. Trump — both Democrats and Republicans — the inclusion of advisers with industry ties is a first sign that he may not follow through on all of his promises.
“This whole idea that he was an outsider and going to destroy the political establishment and drain the swamp were the lines of a con man, and guess what — he is being exposed as just that,” said Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush before becoming a speechwriter for George W. Bush. “He is failing the first test, and he should be held accountable for it.”
Transition teams help new presidents pick the new cabinet, as well as up to 4,000 political appointees who will take over top posts in agencies across the government. President Obama, after he was first elected, instituted rules that prohibited individuals who had served as registered lobbyists in the prior year from serving as transition advisers in the areas in which they represented private clients. They were also prohibited, after the administration took power, from lobbying in the parts of the government they helped set up.
“They wanted to make sure that people were not putting their thumb on the scale, or even the perception of that,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, the director of a nonprofit group called the White House Transition Project, which has studied two decades of presidential transitions.
Among the advisers assisting Mr. Trump who have no clear private-sector ties are Brian Johnson, a top lawyer for the House Financial Services Committee, who is helping to pick top staff members for the federal government’s many financial services agencies.
Edwin Meese III, who served as attorney general under Mr. Reagan and is now associated with the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank, is helping oversee management and budget issues, along with Kay Coles James, a Bush administration official who now runs an institute that trains future African-American leaders.
Former Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan, who served as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and was once a special agent in the F.B.I., is overseeing issues related to national security, including the intelligence agencies and the Department of Homeland Security.
But in other areas, most notably the energy sector, the transition team advisers are far from independent.
Mr. Catanzaro’s client list is a who’s who of major corporate players — such as the Hess Corporation and Devon Energy — that have tried to challenge the Obama administration’s environmental and energy policies on issues such as how much methane gas can be released at oil and gas drilling sites, lobbying disclosure reports show.
He also worked with oil industry players to help push through major legislation goals, such as allowing the export of crude oil. He will now help pick Mr. Trump’s energy team.
Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.
Advisers with ties to other industries include Martin Whitmer, who is overseeing “transportation and infrastructure” for the Trump transition. He is the chairman of a Washington law firm whose lobbying clients include the Association of American Railroads and the National Asphalt Pavement Association.
David Malpass, the former chief economist at Bear Stearns, the Wall Street investment bank that collapsed during the 2008 financial crisis, is overseeing the “economic issues” portfolio of the transition, as well as operations at the Treasury Department. Mr. Malpass now runs a firm called Encima Global, which sells economic research to institutional investors and corporate clients.
Mr. Eisenach, as a telecom industry consultant, has worked to help major cellular companies fight back against regulations proposed by the F.C.C. that would mandate so-called net neutrality — requiring providers to give equal access to their networks to outside companies. He is now helping to oversee the rebuilding of the staff at the F.C.C.
Dan DiMicco, a former chief executive of the steelmaking company Nucor, who now serves on the board of directors of Duke Energy, is heading the transition team for the Office of the United States Trade Representative. Mr. DiMicco has long argued that China is unfairly subsidizing its manufacturing sector at the expense of American jobs.
In his campaign, Mr. Trump promised to take steps to close the so-called revolving door, through which government officials leave their posts and then personally profit by helping private companies reap rewards from policies or programs they had recently managed.
Bruce F. Freed, the president of a nonprofit group called the Center for Political Accountability, which is pressing major corporations to be more transparent about their political spending, said Mr. Trump’s transition team had sent an unfortunate signal to his followers.
“This is one of the reasons you had such anger among voters — people rigging the system, gaming the system,” Mr. Freed said. “This represents more of the same.”
WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.
Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.
Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the “energy independence” portfolio.
Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.
Continue reading the main story
Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.
The president-elect’s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, declined a request for comment, as did nearly a dozen corporate executives, consultants and lobbyists serving on his transition team, which was outlined in a list distributed widely in Washington on Thursday.
A number of the people on that list are well-established experts with no clear interest in helping private-sector clients. But to critics of Mr. Trump — both Democrats and Republicans — the inclusion of advisers with industry ties is a first sign that he may not follow through on all of his promises.
“This whole idea that he was an outsider and going to destroy the political establishment and drain the swamp were the lines of a con man, and guess what — he is being exposed as just that,” said Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush before becoming a speechwriter for George W. Bush. “He is failing the first test, and he should be held accountable for it.”
Transition teams help new presidents pick the new cabinet, as well as up to 4,000 political appointees who will take over top posts in agencies across the government. President Obama, after he was first elected, instituted rules that prohibited individuals who had served as registered lobbyists in the prior year from serving as transition advisers in the areas in which they represented private clients. They were also prohibited, after the administration took power, from lobbying in the parts of the government they helped set up.
“They wanted to make sure that people were not putting their thumb on the scale, or even the perception of that,” said Martha Joynt Kumar, the director of a nonprofit group called the White House Transition Project, which has studied two decades of presidential transitions.
Among the advisers assisting Mr. Trump who have no clear private-sector ties are Brian Johnson, a top lawyer for the House Financial Services Committee, who is helping to pick top staff members for the federal government’s many financial services agencies.
Edwin Meese III, who served as attorney general under Mr. Reagan and is now associated with the Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank, is helping oversee management and budget issues, along with Kay Coles James, a Bush administration official who now runs an institute that trains future African-American leaders.
Former Representative Mike Rogers, Republican of Michigan, who served as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and was once a special agent in the F.B.I., is overseeing issues related to national security, including the intelligence agencies and the Department of Homeland Security.
But in other areas, most notably the energy sector, the transition team advisers are far from independent.
Mr. Catanzaro’s client list is a who’s who of major corporate players — such as the Hess Corporation and Devon Energy — that have tried to challenge the Obama administration’s environmental and energy policies on issues such as how much methane gas can be released at oil and gas drilling sites, lobbying disclosure reports show.
He also worked with oil industry players to help push through major legislation goals, such as allowing the export of crude oil. He will now help pick Mr. Trump’s energy team.
Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.
Advisers with ties to other industries include Martin Whitmer, who is overseeing “transportation and infrastructure” for the Trump transition. He is the chairman of a Washington law firm whose lobbying clients include the Association of American Railroads and the National Asphalt Pavement Association.
David Malpass, the former chief economist at Bear Stearns, the Wall Street investment bank that collapsed during the 2008 financial crisis, is overseeing the “economic issues” portfolio of the transition, as well as operations at the Treasury Department. Mr. Malpass now runs a firm called Encima Global, which sells economic research to institutional investors and corporate clients.
Mr. Eisenach, as a telecom industry consultant, has worked to help major cellular companies fight back against regulations proposed by the F.C.C. that would mandate so-called net neutrality — requiring providers to give equal access to their networks to outside companies. He is now helping to oversee the rebuilding of the staff at the F.C.C.
Dan DiMicco, a former chief executive of the steelmaking company Nucor, who now serves on the board of directors of Duke Energy, is heading the transition team for the Office of the United States Trade Representative. Mr. DiMicco has long argued that China is unfairly subsidizing its manufacturing sector at the expense of American jobs.
In his campaign, Mr. Trump promised to take steps to close the so-called revolving door, through which government officials leave their posts and then personally profit by helping private companies reap rewards from policies or programs they had recently managed.
Bruce F. Freed, the president of a nonprofit group called the Center for Political Accountability, which is pressing major corporations to be more transparent about their political spending, said Mr. Trump’s transition team had sent an unfortunate signal to his followers.
“This is one of the reasons you had such anger among voters — people rigging the system, gaming the system,” Mr. Freed said. “This represents more of the same.”
cjpayne
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The NYtimes is one of the worst lying, twisted truth rags out there second to none, except maybe the Washington Post. They will only tell the truth IF it helps their political view. Here in Oklahoma, the Tulsa World probably places in the top 10 worst rags you can waste your money on. Over the past 4 to 5 years, I'm getting to where I believe newspapers as much as the politicians. CNN deserves THE WORST news network award. I'm soooo sick of it all.
scooter
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Sorry - the election doesn't allow for do-overs
As far as being scared - don't forget we have three branches of government and they keep a check on each other. Pretty cool system the founding fathers set up.
When you say UNDO what's been done are you also upset with the outcome of the house and senate races as well?
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kirrbby
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I have no idea how much damage The Donald can do. Hopefully he actually will put some decent people around him. Some people that HE respects enough to listen to. Keep him in check. Because HE is a genuine ass. Do you think he is a good guy scooter. Someone who might be a friend of yours??
What I am upset about is that the biggest asshole in the country has been elected to be President of the country that I live in. He is NOT, MY, President. I can't make that clear enough. No matter if he does good things, I hope that he does, but the way he does...most things, is not honorable.
What I am upset about is that the biggest asshole in the country has been elected to be President of the country that I live in. He is NOT, MY, President. I can't make that clear enough. No matter if he does good things, I hope that he does, but the way he does...most things, is not honorable.
cjpayne
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Fox news tell SOME truth, but very little. Most of the time I will watch all of the news branches. There are other news resources out there, like radio, youtube(the parts edited out of the CNN report), ect. When you carefully watch them all, you'll get a better idea of what's going on. I tend to notice what they are NOT telling us. Also, whatever they tell us requires no proof at all.lol. I knew the media would assault Trump since their pre election polls failed, but they pounced sooner than I thought they would. Oh well.lol.
kirrbby
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Naa, don't see a move in the near future. I'll stand my ground here. lol Although my wife would love to go to a warmer climate. I know the people have spoken (some at least). I know there are no do overs. I know a ton of folks were tired of Obama and all that. But DAMN! That one really hurt.
scooter
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Kirby - to your question "do I think he is a good guy". Never been a Trump fan since he came into the public eye back around 1990. Independent of my historical like or dislike, come Election Day my vote was cast for him as the Republican Party candidate and a position that he was the best candidate for the job at hand.
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Coastal Redneck
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Damn, OLD CT, you've been dissed... nobody wants to move to Metro Joisey, LOL (snort). No worries, you'll be welcome in Show Low anytime you need some vacay time, don't forget yer monkeybike because there are some cool trails here, 10??? Jeez, you guys are really taking this thread to a new level... of course, you & CJ have it right when it comes to corporate media, LOL. For those who actually BELIEVE that bullsh!t: I have some beachfront property in AZ for sale!!! LOL. I'll sell the wooden shed out back to the fooliots for a million bucks---no land included. :4:
As for those whiny liberal protesters and foreign freeloaders, they all have their panties in a bunch because their free ride (at taxpayers' expense) is about to come to a grinding halt, LOL. I like how the TRUMPSTER is gonna gut ObamaCare and just about every other bullsh!t program initiated by Nobama, unconstitutional and criminal programs designed to rack up debt and further traitorous globalist agendas. Sensible voters prevailed when they elected "The Donald" over the Billary scumbags: "NO MORE DIRTY CLINTON-AND-OBAMA-RELATED BULLSH!T!!! SEND 'EM TO PRISON WHERE THEY BELONG!!!" :41:
If you think that will never happen, think again... once Trump cleans up the so-called "Justice Department" and drop-kicks those dual-standard gays & ethnics who have been running the circus lately, there will be some REAL JUSTICE dispensed, the kind that favors TAXPAYERS for a change. Think the Trump Campaign hasn't been hearing all the details of my long ordeal, with tips tossed in about how to clean up that whole rotten rat's nest of public-fund-wastin' corruption in Dago & Sack-O'-Tomatoes? [i.e. Sacramento] HAHA, think again, I make a real good hater, especially when I'm unwillingly forced to deal with criminals, freeloaders, and dirty swine slurping at the public trough... :47:
Anyway, time to watch "THE SEARCHERS" as I pound a few well-deserved beers, tall "Silver Bullets" this time (they were on sale). Gotta have suds after prepping & painting my new home, the job is progressing well and the place looks f#%g killer already, like a modern fishbowl in the forest, LOL. Threw down $2200 for carpeting materials this morning, probably be $3K or slightly more before that task is completed, but no worries, the crew doesn't start till Tuesday, which gives me and my helper till Monday to finish painting the requisite areas. Gonna spend my day mañana cutting in corners and whatnot, the Purdy equipment is making things relatively easy, 10??? :30:
Guess I'll miss most of the football action this weekend, but that can't be helped, the new home takes priority... later, the flatscreens in the "Pool Room" and the living room, LOL, big ol' screens with NFL action dominating channels as my friends & I shoot some stick, WOOHOO!!! Perhaps kick back in the living room by the fired wood stove, another item on the rehab list: gotta sweep the stack and hit the stove with some high-temp paint to make it look good. It's a nice stove, a good-sized number which will heat the whole home, no problem. Rope gasket is practically new too, LOL. I'm looking forward to warm cozy nights in my new home, and Sage the Cat is too... :28:
Little varmint is gonna LOVE his new digs, I'm installing a cat door under the carport so he can freely roam without waking me at zero-dark-f#%g-thirty, AYE??? I'm done with that whole "butler to the cat" scene, I assure you... damn, this John Wayne flick is awesome, the views of Monument Valley are killer. John Ford at his finest, no doubt. Hey, my Native American helper and I held a spiritual purifying ceremony in my new home this morning, burning cedar sprigs while going from room to room, all doors, windows, cupboards, drawers, etc. wide open to let spirits depart. It was F#%G RADICAL, this Injun hand is hardcore that way and I thanked him for blessing my new home... Sage the Cat will thank him later, 10-4???
ALRIGHT, BACK TO THIS JOHN FORD EPIC, THE SCENERY ALONE IS WORTH IT, LOL... Y'ALL BE GOOD, AND OLD CT, DON'T FORGET YOU HAVE A FREE PASS TO THE WHITE MOUNTAIN WILDERNESS, AYE?!? CJ TOO, FOR THAT MATTER...
kirrbby
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I have to respect that. You made your choice and cast your vote.
I'm beginning to realize that many Trump supporters do not necessarily care about his faults, don't expect him to do many of the things he says that he will, and don't mind if he lies to them. That's not a dig, just a observation. Everything that people a screaming about, his supporters are loving. Kinda like..."hell ya he'll kick your puppy. If it pisses you off, better yet".
I'm beginning to realize that many Trump supporters do not necessarily care about his faults, don't expect him to do many of the things he says that he will, and don't mind if he lies to them. That's not a dig, just a observation. Everything that people a screaming about, his supporters are loving. Kinda like..."hell ya he'll kick your puppy. If it pisses you off, better yet".
Adam-NLV
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I must admit, I've been watching a lot of the liberal news shows now that the election is over. (Usually I could only take about 5 min of their F'd up broadcast), And After 18 months of listening to their smug and condescending talking heads pre-election predictions and their Fucked Up "latest Polls"...There is nothing sweeter than watching each and everyone of these broadcasters eat crow followed by a giant serving of Humble pie.
The icing on the cake is when the Hollywood Elite are shown crying ie Cher, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry.:21:
It's gonna be a wonderful Holiday season and a very special Thanksgiving too. :36:
LOL!
kirrbby
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It seems easier to see Miley Cyrus whine and cry than Rush Limbaugh. The tables have turned I spose. Republicans have been whining for the last 8 years, now it's our turn. Maybe I should search back 4 years on lh and see if anyone was whining around here.
After 8 aweful years with Obummer, Rush still has all of his money, Terrible Ted still has all of his machine guns, and Donnie Trump still hasn't paid any taxes.
After 8 aweful years with Obummer, Rush still has all of his money, Terrible Ted still has all of his machine guns, and Donnie Trump still hasn't paid any taxes.
Markfordct
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Don't bother trying to discuss facts, kirrbby. They're liberal & whiney, don't you know. Mentioning them makes the dittoheads wittle noggins hurt. They can't define "liberal", "conservative", "progressive", "reactionary", can't name the world's largest employer or even know what A.L.E.C. does. Thank God we have Fox "news", newsmax and The Federalist, doing their level best to shield us from the liberal consipracy, "in Rupert Murdoch we trust". For the record, I didn't vote for the whiney bitch, or Hillary - both Clintons suck. But, he won the election and that's that. As for "one man, one vote", well, you do the math. Nixon won that way and look how well that turned out. There's the state & local level, where a 2% edge in votes gave the Rs a 17% midterm gain in congress, gerry who? The "tea party", better known as the Koch brothers, got their "robed sodomites" elected. That plus for-profit prisons ought to reassure brother sidewinder. What better way to insure an honest legal system than profit motive? I'm sure no one else will ever be railroaded, ever again.
Lying is the new normal and thinking is anti-amurcan. But wait, there's more! Uncle Newtie ("honey, sorry you've got cancer but I'm such a devout Catholic that I'm divorcing you to marry the woman I've been shtupping for the past three years") and the towering intellect of Sarah Palin to look forward to. Hey, maybe they'll bring back Dick Armey and rename the party in his honor.
But seriously folks, I hope the great orange hope proves me totally wrong. He's been a con man since he rose from being a poor black child with a scant $300,000,000 family fortune behind him. What are the odds? "Make a deal with the devil..."
Lying is the new normal and thinking is anti-amurcan. But wait, there's more! Uncle Newtie ("honey, sorry you've got cancer but I'm such a devout Catholic that I'm divorcing you to marry the woman I've been shtupping for the past three years") and the towering intellect of Sarah Palin to look forward to. Hey, maybe they'll bring back Dick Armey and rename the party in his honor.
But seriously folks, I hope the great orange hope proves me totally wrong. He's been a con man since he rose from being a poor black child with a scant $300,000,000 family fortune behind him. What are the odds? "Make a deal with the devil..."
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