Wholly crap Batman...9500.00 or 11,000.00 for you high rollers

Miniac

Miniac

Member
They're only worth it if some fool is willing to pay.

If I had that kind of money tied up in any mini it wouldn't be any use to me, cuz I'd have to keep it in a vault and I'd be afraid to ride it. But there may be museum curators somewhere that need one of them to make the collection complete. So what do I know?!? :eek:

-kevin
 
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69ST

Well-Known Member
Seems overpriced, but at least these look to be legit auctions...unlike those two wankfests with the Z50RDs & CT70 earlier this year. (I recently heard the whole story behinf those:rolleyes:)

My guess is that this early model might be worth a bit less than the BIN price if they were already restored to concours condition. That said, the USD has taken a 2:1 hit against the EUR and these bikes were changing hands in the $5500 range before the USD began circling the drain. There is a global market for CZs. They probably should be restored and placed into a museum-like collection; they'd be less enjoyable to actually ride.
 
Darthvader

Darthvader

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"Seems overpriced, but at least these look to be legit auctions...unlike those two wankfests with the Z50RDs & CT70 earlier this year. (I recently heard the whole story behinf those)"

I would love to here the real story.
 
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bjatwood

120cc
I would like to hear the real story on that Blue CT70 that was on eBay earlier this year RacerX.
Spill the nuts and bolts (so to speak) :red70:
 
MSZ

MSZ

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In Japan, the original models that need work fetch as much as the fully restored bikes. Why you ask? Because there are fakes. The early CZ100's didn't have serial numbers on the frame, and there is no way to tell the difference between the real article and the fake frames made by a small company in Japan.

Market value for a fully restored CZ100 in Japan and nice originals is $8,000 to 10,000. 6 years ago, you could purchase fully restored CZ100's all day long for $5,500. Not anymore. If those were my bikes, I wouldn't let either go for under $7,000.

The CZ's suck to ride but make nice collector trophies. If it's too rare or too nice to ride, I don't want it. Collecting is not my cup of tea.
 
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johnmacd

Member
DAMN!! And I just spent my last available $11,000.... on food...for a family of four...for a year...friggin' necessities ALWAYS get in the way of me owning another mini bike... :D
 
MSZ

MSZ

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If you think the CZ100's are expensive, find me a 1961 Z100 that launched the Honda Trail bike movement.

Only a small handful are still known to exist and have been rumored to sell for low six figures when the collector dies :D

Here's a little history on one of the most sought after collectable Hondas of all time.

1961 Z100
 

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Mark Mitchell

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steampick said:
Are those CZ bikes push-rods?
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Yes,the cub motor also came in the C50 step through. There are some rare bikes in that collection-it will be very tough to get his asking price on the bikes needing resto as anyone intimate with them knows parts are unobtainible. Beautiful restored white tank,I can see 15k from a serious japanese collector but they just don't get the respect($$) over here.
 
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jrure

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Cz100

I have to agree with Mark Mitchell, these bikes are not appreciated here in the US, only a few exist here also. Like Pony Express said, what we HAVE TO remember right now...the exchange rate. A french Model M is worth 10K in the US, I have watched so many overseas bring 2-3K US but take that & exchange it... a guy here in the US will pay double that. Then take shipping, tax & duties when it gets here in the US! (unless you can get a guy over there to tear it down & ship it in boxes.) That bike could be 5-6K plus when you get it here & then it has to be restored....Then hope the bike is complete, if not start searching for parts! I have a friend in Canada that just parted his English model out, I watched all the auctions (keep in mind this was about 80% there) it totalled up to just over 4K in junk parts, rebuild a motor, have it painted & buy a bunch of parts when you can find them overseas & in Japan, if you have contacts?. Add it up, it will shock you. I did my English bike 4 years ago, bought it for 2600.00 in CA, I am in MI, shipping was 400 bucks at the time, gas was half as much then also! I spent on & off 1 1/2 years redoing this bike (the quart of Red is almost 200 bucks now) I did the majority of it myself. When done 6K & I didnt keep track very well either. Paid through the nose to get a few parts to make it correct. With the help of Mark Mitchell & a friend in Portugal who knew these well it was correct as it should be & very happy when done! I know a Headlight bucket alone for a French model will cost over 350.00 for a repro in Japan, almost 500 USD or more nowadays for an original! The CZ100 may be a bit high, but this guy is thinking OVERSEAS money...that is who is buying these, take 21K & convert it....11K in pounds & almost 13K in euro...cant figure out the Yen it confuses me. I watched the CZ's 2-3 years ago, a bunch were on, havent seen a complete bike on again until now... take the chrome on that bike, I am redoing one Mark has sent me, I have 1000.00 in rechroming on it already. Unrestored a CZ overseas at 3K is 6000.00 USD, realistically when done if a guy bought one overseas & had it done, assuming it was complete & he can find a guy here in the US to rebuild the motor, I would say he would have 12K-15K into it when done. its nuts! They are rare & the Godfather to all this madness, so ugly they are cool! I call them the Hemi Cuda of minibikes! who ever thought a Hemi Cuda would be worth a half a million bucks either.




Jerry Ure
 
MSZ

MSZ

Moderator
Jerry,

CZ100's are not bringing $10K USD in Japan or 1,070,000 Yen. In fact, there is a fully restored one up for sale at this very moment with a buy in now price of $13K and it won't sell.

Shipping is about $450 to ship a bike from Japan to the USA.

Maybe for people with no overseas resources the CZ100's are priced right, but for those of us with Japan connections, the pricing is way out of line for the international market.

Z50M's (Japan models) never bring over $5,000 fully restored in Japan.

The european market and US market is completely out of line if fools are paying those high prices for bikes. Maybe I need to start importing them in and doubling my $$
 
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Mark Mitchell

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Pony Express said:
Jerry,

CZ100's are not bringing $10K USD in Japan or 1,070,000 Yen. In fact, there is a fully restored one up for sale at this very moment with a buy in now price of $13K and it won't sell.

Shipping is about $450 to ship a bike from Japan to the USA.

Maybe for people with no overseas resources the CZ100's are priced right, but for those of us with Japan connections, the pricing is way out of line for the international market.

Z50M's (Japan models) never bring over $5,000 fully restored in Japan.

The european market and US market is completely out of line if fools are paying those high prices for bikes. Maybe I need to start importing them in and doubling my $$
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There are quite few things to consider when placing value on these. They don't come around that often-the difference between a CZ restored with Repop or NOS parts can add or subtract a decimal to the amount of the check written by an astute collector.

The market is no where near where it was 5-10 years ago,but there is still a core group of enthusiasts that have the financial solvency to pull the trigger if the right example comes up. Take this restored White tank-if you are a 50 C.C. fan with a big collection (and wallet) that's a centerpiece waiting to happen. I remember when Jan did this bike eight years ago,the person who is selling it paid 15k for the resto,not including the bike. It has pretty much all NOS items,and even the original Dunlops try finding a pair of those after 45 years.

21K might seem crazy for most(including myself because it's worth half that),but try finding another one like it. Don't forget the madness(and time) that will accompany scratching around for parts(clapped out original stock or incorrect repro items) that will haunt you restoring the other one(s).

The M's are a different story,they made quite a few more,are arguably more popular with the tartan seat and all and have held up pretty well over the last few years getting 5-6K for a decent resto. They have a huge following in europe-that's where the market is on these,but his BIN of 10K is optomistic at best. These are like a stock ,it's worth only what someone's willing to pay you for it.

The whole deal is a fishing expedition-he will he will never see anything close to his BIN prices with the wild card exception being the restored white tank. There might be a gotta have it microsoft trust fund baby out there who's prayers have just been answered,)

All JMHO
 
Darthvader

Darthvader

Member
For that kind of money the descriptions of what they are is a bit weak. I would want to see the goods with my own eyes.And look at each and every part.
 
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