1973 Sl70's

hambone

Active Member
New member here, bought a couple of SL70's a few days ago, one has 90 miles other 120, just couldn't turn them down for the price, I am in the need for a gas tank, not ready to spend $500 from Bikebandit. I see seat, rims, side covers are still available but the tanks are hard to find, mine are beyond repair, any help would be appreciated, am I in over my head? any comments? I've been told to part them out, but that's falling on deaf ears. Thanks, Hambone
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cjpayne

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Incredible find, IMO. I wouldnt part them out either. Judging from the red high beam lens, I think those might be 72 models. What exactly is wrong with the tanks? They may be able to be derusted and coated, or lined.
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hambone

Active Member
The tanks are rusted through, I have the original titles, they say 1973, they were bought on the same day as a pair.
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AtLarge

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I’d find a way to save them. You can ride a long time on temporary tanks while you wait for the right ones to come along.
 

cjpayne

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I don't know for sure about the SL70, but the '72model CT70 K1/HK1 production ended mid June '72. Back in the day, titles were usually issued the year they were bought for these bikes. Another thing about the red high beam lens is that the 72model CT70 was the last model to have it. The next model year was blue.

I bet racerx might know someone who can fix the tank.

There is a forum on FaceBook for the CT70's that might help you find a tank. There are SL70's that show up there from time to time.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/11161269516/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/minitrailbuyselltrade/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/165427010681921/

These are probably your best bet.
Honda Ct70 & z50 Mini Trail XL SL70 buy & Sale
https://www.facebook.com/Hondasl70/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/130096144205295/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/582440031897784/
 

hambone

Active Member
Thanks for the help cj, I don't do Facebook, I will keep my eye out for one, I hijacked someones ad in the wanted section, maybe something will pop up in the future. Thanks, Hambone.
 

hambone

Active Member
Couldn't wait to get started, got the frame blasted, sanded and repainted, I have a lead on a few parts. My concern is the wiring harness, it's a K1 so the harness is different than the K0, could I modify a K0 harness or use a XL70 harness? Thanks, Hambone
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cjpayne

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I dont know much about the XL/SL70's, but I would check the part #'s to see if they use the same ignition switch. If they do, I would think they could be modified. Also, is your wire harness restorable?
 

hambone

Active Member
The wiring harness is in good shape, could use some rewrap, it's the white plastic connectors that are bad. The K0 and K1 have different ignition switches but the K1 and the XL70 have the same switch, so maybe the XL harness has a blinker circuit???
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69ST

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With a schematic, it's always possible to fab a wire harness from scratch; that's a worst-case. In between taking that drastic step and sourcing NOS, there is the possibility of restoring/repairing the existing harness. If the leads are all still there, they can be used as templates. The biggest hassle would be sourcing wire with the desired color-coding. Beyond that, it's an afternoon of tedious cutting/stripping/soldering/bundling/wrapping...but...you only have to do this once.

Repairing a rusted-out tank is possible, but labor-intensive. Since the rot is normally on the bottom of the tank, the surgery doesn't have to be plastic surgery, if you take my meaning. Typically, the center section of the tank bottom will be fine, the damage concentrated in localized spots, at the outer perimeter, with some extending upward at the sides... usually less than 1.5", or less, above the lower edge. The best repair method is somewhat subjective. There's more than one "right answer to this multiple choice test". First step is rust removal, to see what is actually solid metal. With a tank that's more like a coarse sieve, chemical rust removal requires a plastic container bigger than the tank, plus a lot of solution. Evaporust is a good product but, at $27/gallon it ain't cheap...and...it has its limitations. It absolutely will not eliminate heavy rust. It also should be followed by a final treatment with phosphoric acid.

Since you're already thinking in terms of tank replacement, what have you got to lose by taking a few steps toward evaluating the original tanks? First thing I'd do is glass bead blast the rusted-through areas from the outside of the tank...and as much as the gun can reach, via the filler neck. That'll give you a much better idea of how much solid metal remains. It will also remove a lot of the heavier scaling, which will allows the chemical baths to work faster and more effectively. Small holes can be patched. With a clean, "white metal" surface, you've the option of welding, brazing or using a POR15 tank sealer kit...which includes fiberglass cloth, specifically for this purpose. If there are big sections of rotted metal, they can be cut out and new metal welded/brazed/sealed. Before the new metal goes in/on, the gaping holes can be used for bead blasting access...for the rest of the tank. After that, welding + brazing should seal up the tank well enough to contain the chemical solutions long enough that you won't have to immerse the entire tank.

I've restored a handful of Z50 tanks as described, they're similar to what you have. The cutting & templating is easy enough, since the tank bottom is flat (in the affected areas). The welding isn't fun; it's very difficult to get perfect sealing, unless one is an expert at TIG welding...which I am not. That's where brazing can be very effective. The welding is for strength, brazing seals most, if not all, of the pinholes. Regardless, the tank must be sealed afterward and that also takes care of any roughness along the weld seams. Based on this, I can tell you that this is tedious and it's not cheap. Between the brazing, Evaporust, phosphoric acid and POR15 products, you'll be into this for at a buck-and-a-half...doing a pair of these tanks at once, it won't cost much more. The rust dissolvers can be used twice and there's more than enough sealer in one kit, to do two tanks. If you have to farm-out the welding/brazing, I could see 150-200 per tank additional. Media blasting a tank should be cheap, $20, tops.

Now consider the price of an NOS tank, or a pair of them...$500/$1000...vs your cost, and effort, of restoring the originals, which could range anywhere from $150/$300 up to $350/$700, exclusive of your time. What will the rusty originals bring on the open market? If you can get $200 each from them, NOS replacements seem like a fair value and maybe a much better way to go. You're the only person who can make the decision. I'm trying to provide information that will allow you to make an informed decision.
 

69ST

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The wiring harness is in good shape, could use some rewrap, it's the white plastic connectors that are bad. The K0 and K1 have different ignition switches but the K1 and the XL70 have the same switch, so maybe the XL harness has a blinker circuit???
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I believe that the 4-pin connector can be sourced from dratv. (the link take you to one shown for Z50s & CT70s...which look identical) There are other sources but, since you don't need a bag of them and they're cheap enough as single items..well...you get the idea. Are you familiar with how the pins & spades are locked inside the plastic connectors? It's quite DIY-friendly.

What I saw in your photos show wire bundles that are still in good condition. I would recommend unwrapping them, completely. Then, visually inspect every lead...and check using a continuity tester. If everything is intact, then replace any damaged connectors/plugs and re-wrap.
 

hambone

Active Member
Thanks RacerX, I think that's just what I need, I can remove the terminals with a scribe or something sharp. As far as the tanks, they are toast, you can stick your fingers thru the metal on the bottom and inside, going to use a K0 tank and fill in with filler, finding a K1 tank may take a while but will keep my eye out because I want to restore the other one. If anyone has any extra parts keep me in mind. Thanks, Hambone
 

69ST

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If the tunnel section, of the tank bottom is still solid, then you have enough skeletal structure. I think I'd break out the air saw and slice away one of the rotted bottom sections...for a better look inside. If big windows have to be cut out of the tank floor, media blasting the inside of the tank, where it will really make a positive difference, becomes much easier and more effective. That could give you a highly accurate look at how much solid metal is left. I have enough sheetmetal talent to replace a flat panel section, including the welding, brazing & sealing...which may be coloring my perspective. It's not a project I'd eagerly seek out. A pro welder is going to charge real money (and probably do a first-rate job, too), which swings the balance back toward NOS. What I'm saying...in far too many words...is that IF you find enough solid metal after media blasting...AND...you can do your own welding then it might be worth tackling.

Honestly, I tend toward over-optimism...but, at the same time, I can recognize when a high premium (like $300 per tank..beyond what we think one should cost) is actually an acceptable value. IMHO, considering the entire project cost is the most important, big-picture, guide. A typical K0-`78 CT70 will take anywhere from about $3500 into the mid $5K range to restore completely. So, while $500 is stupid-expensive for an NOS tank, restoring a decent used tank can eassily take $300+/- $50...anyway. As long as it's only an item or two that bites through your wallet, you're really facing maybe a 10% premium within the context of the entire project...and one's cheek will heal quickly enough.;)
 

OLD CT

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I'm sure you have seen the K0 red and white tank with dent from the forks. 150 or best offer and 38 shipping. I would consider it. I recall there used to be a company that can pressurize the tank to get most of the dents out.
 

hambone

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I will take some pics of the tanks tomorrow, but they are toast, I can work with dents, have a stud welder dent puller, I think I have a source on a dent free tank, repro seat and nice exhaust.
 

MountainMini

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I had to replace a connector on my SL-70 motor last winter. I got my connectors from a place called “cycleterminal.com”. They were an exact match and you don’t have to buy a bunch.
 

hambone

Active Member
Thanks MM, good to have other sources, going to place an order with dratv for a few items I need. What would you guys recommend for engine paint, looks like I can just polish the center cases but what about the side cases, cylinder and head?
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