Agreed! The one thread that binds everyone together here is the fasination and love for the CTs. The frustrating web of politics will never be solved here. Every individual will have his or her own opinion on what is happening in the bad bad world out there. The one true refuge is the common bond we all have in this forum. Lets all cool down and leave this discussion somewhere else.
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amen !
steampick
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For the record, I've liked most every American I've met. A bit more strong-headed than many up here (and even that is a sloppy generalization), but, in the words of American author Tom Robbins, it's precisely our differences that allow us to be fascinated by each other.
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I'm not fascinated...Canada isn't even a blip on my radar. If the US shuts the border down Canada becomes the dusty attic upstairs.
Seriously, do we need to comprise the Canada vs US list of inventions that furthered man kind, or the list of Nobel Peace Prize winners from each country. Right now your setting under lights, a US invention, typing out your political dribble on a PC or MAC, invented here, and sent though a phone line, invented here.
It's easy to pile on right now, but when the $hit hits fan who's door step do you show up on with your hand out. When a major earthquake or tsunami hits I seriously doubt Canada is at the top of the speed dial list.
mfro
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electric street lamps: wrong. Invented by Yablochkov (Russian).
Computers: wrong. Zuse (German)
Phone: half right, half wrong. Bell was the first to claim the patent, but he actually stole the blueprints from an Italian. The first working phone connection was done by Reis (German).
Not everything what they tell you in school is correct
mfro
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How did I know that something smart like this would come over as response?
Probably because internet forums with large letters are most likely an American invention...
To my knowledge, nobody of my ancestors ever stayed at Normandy, so I don't really care.
steampick
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Oh yeah, Alexander Graham Bell (the half-inventor of the phone) was born in Scotland, and raised mostly in Canada and London, and died in Nova Scotia. But hey, I'm sure he was fascinated by America.
I think ol' chuck was the kind of football player who really wasn't ever expected to touch the ball.
I think ol' chuck was the kind of football player who really wasn't ever expected to touch the ball.
Thats right smart ass..when to school for free and play linebacker .AND SHIT EVEN GOT ME A DAME DEGREE. even play in your shit hole country for 1 season and by the way the money SUCK and then served this great country . Believe me my friend I don't have to hide behind no computer. The only thing Canada is good for ,picking up my Cuban cigars.You know us Brooklyn Itlaian gangsters like are Cigars .LITTLE MAN HAVE A NICE DAY....U COULN'T PLAY IN MY WORLD IN BROOKLYN,NY!!!!!!!!BELIEVE THAT SHIT.
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I think we have to keep in mind that someone like Chuck who has put his LIFE on the line to protect our country is going to be more passionate about it than those of us who watch CNN...I have a military family, documented back to the Revolutinary War...My Dad, Both Grandfathers,5 Uncles and two Great Uncles all served and one great uncle was killed in France in WW1...One uncle was held in a German POW camp after being shot down WW2...he came home weighing 105lbs. My Grandfathers and Uncles were also in Normandy,Battle of the Bulge etc and I am ashamed to admit that no matter how many times I heard the stories from all of them, I did not get it until 9-11...It took that for me to realize just what they had given and why. So with that said, Thank You Chuck and also Thanks to your Dad and Grandpa. Also, because of that time and place..Should I dislike mfro because he is German?? No. I do however realize that what is going on now with Iraq, etal is completely different and can never be won and do I trust anyone that believes in the Jihad or Holy War against Christianity. NO and I believe that we will always have to live under a threat of attack. I thank God for the folks that protect us and have given their lives for this Great Country.
We are all brought up differently and that has alot to do with our beliefs. I have nothing against Canada, but I have never considered that country much of a participant in any conflict....My Dad hated that Canada allowed cowards to flee there, but it didn't stop him from going to Canada to fish
I don't mind spirited discussions, we just have to agree to disagree on some things and to realize just where each other is coming from and despite our differences, we do have one thing in common...our beloved Honda's:3:
We are all brought up differently and that has alot to do with our beliefs. I have nothing against Canada, but I have never considered that country much of a participant in any conflict....My Dad hated that Canada allowed cowards to flee there, but it didn't stop him from going to Canada to fish
I don't mind spirited discussions, we just have to agree to disagree on some things and to realize just where each other is coming from and despite our differences, we do have one thing in common...our beloved Honda's:3:
omega man minibike
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ya all vs 1.:68: if the u.s had to fight the germans fresh 1 vs 1 back then i think that would have been interesting dont ya think. im not pro nazi but i am german decent and find all that german ww2 commando redneck style bashing annoying.
germans lost because of 2 many stupid mistakes and hitlers sleeping and messing with gods people. thats the main reason. nothing more.
but really the germans have lost nothing today because last time i checked they hold most of the tech and money still to this day. as it should be.:argue:
mfro
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Bush sr.'s 1st Iraq war was justified by obvious reasons and also was accepted by a large majority of the international community. Iraq obviously attacked Kuwait after claiming false evidence that they had every right to do so.
Germany's history taught (most) Germans that it is not only a human right, but merely a duty defending peaceful states attacked by neighbours with faked matters for selfish reasons.
Most German's understanding of WW2 is that the German regime (besides their insane belief of racial superiority) - overburdened by internal economic and social problems - nevertheless backed by powerful industries with not enough customers buying their high-tech products - found it easier to blame others for their internal political problems instead of trying to solve them. They therefore created what they thought enough false evidence supported by a huge propaganda industry to entitle them to attack innocent states to steal their industrial resources (Germany attacking Poland as an "act of defense", the start of WWII).
Although I doubt there is enough historical and emotional distance from Bush jr.'s 2nd Iraq war: does anybody see any parallels?
Of course I wouldn't go as far and call Saddam Hussein "innocent". Nevertheless it is and was quite clear that most of this war's moral "justification" was just faked. Might explain why many countries refused to take part and even more are still refusing to clean up the mess behind the US.
Germans have lost a lot during WWII. Roughly 5 million people (soldiers and civilians), which is close to 10% of the population back then. Most houses destroyed beyond repair. No industry left. Most of everything left worth anything (be it patents, inventions, machinery, money, engineers or what else) taken away for reparation claims.
Anyway, it was their own fault. They didn't deserve otherwise.
Nevertheless, it taught German society a different view to things.
Still a lot of distrust in leadership concentrated into one single person. A true belief that you don't serve your country by serving a single leader. No understanding for unconditional support to a leader after his election.
But still deep thankfulness that they were lend a chance to rebuild their country after WWII instead of being sacrificed to the Russians (basically a US merit).
Germany's history taught (most) Germans that it is not only a human right, but merely a duty defending peaceful states attacked by neighbours with faked matters for selfish reasons.
Most German's understanding of WW2 is that the German regime (besides their insane belief of racial superiority) - overburdened by internal economic and social problems - nevertheless backed by powerful industries with not enough customers buying their high-tech products - found it easier to blame others for their internal political problems instead of trying to solve them. They therefore created what they thought enough false evidence supported by a huge propaganda industry to entitle them to attack innocent states to steal their industrial resources (Germany attacking Poland as an "act of defense", the start of WWII).
Although I doubt there is enough historical and emotional distance from Bush jr.'s 2nd Iraq war: does anybody see any parallels?
Of course I wouldn't go as far and call Saddam Hussein "innocent". Nevertheless it is and was quite clear that most of this war's moral "justification" was just faked. Might explain why many countries refused to take part and even more are still refusing to clean up the mess behind the US.
Germans have lost a lot during WWII. Roughly 5 million people (soldiers and civilians), which is close to 10% of the population back then. Most houses destroyed beyond repair. No industry left. Most of everything left worth anything (be it patents, inventions, machinery, money, engineers or what else) taken away for reparation claims.
Anyway, it was their own fault. They didn't deserve otherwise.
Nevertheless, it taught German society a different view to things.
Still a lot of distrust in leadership concentrated into one single person. A true belief that you don't serve your country by serving a single leader. No understanding for unconditional support to a leader after his election.
But still deep thankfulness that they were lend a chance to rebuild their country after WWII instead of being sacrificed to the Russians (basically a US merit).