Paint job...

hey guys im planing on painting my ct70hk1 and its gonna be painted the original candy gold paint but im doing this myself so i am gonna need a little help. i was wondering first for sandblasting i knw the psi is aprox.35 psi but should it be beadblasted or how will that work out? (i dont want 2 blast it and get cats eyes. little scratches) and for the paint i know there are kits out there but want 2 know wat u guys have used and worked out. i know i could go 2 like lowes or home depot 2 buy primer for metal so i gues thats not a problem. i want people who have done this process without a problem at the end 2 comment... hope that didnt sound mean. THANKS GUYS!!!!

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Ive heard beadblasting works good. Myself I like to use an angle grinder with a wire brush. If the paint kit doesnt come with a primer, go to an automotive paint store and pick up some epoxy primer. If the frame has little dings get some slicksand (Primer with bondo in it) too and lay it down first. Works good to fill in little dings and spotwelds. Devote alot of time into blocksanding for a good finish. And if you do use slicksand buy some gunwash too and a nozzle with a bigger oriface on the spraygun because that stuff is THICK and tends to harden and plug up the gun. Hope to help
 

OLD CT

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hk1's were red and yellow so i guess your not concerned about keeping it the original color to the H model.i dont see many custom H's in the gold color.post up some pics of the new paint job when your done!
 

What

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As I was reading your post, a little gif at the top of the page was staring me in the face. Have you tried any of the sponsors here on the site?
 

bry593

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I use crushed glass (white bite) in my Eastwood pressure blaster (Eastwood blaster is exactly same as Harbor Freight, but with different valves, buy the HF instead). It works very well and has less free silica than sand (keeps your lungs healthy). You can find this at your local blasting equipment supplier for about $12 for a 50 lb bag (that's dirt cheap). It will leave a perfect finish for epoxy primer (use epoxy primer as others don't like to stick to bare metal). You will want to wipe down the blasted parts with a t-shirt and reducer to remove any oils (even fingerprints can cause fisheye) before applying primer.

BTW, you can also blast the plastic headlight bucket by adjusting the air flow so that only a light stream of abrasive is coming out of the nozzle. If you allow to much pressure, it will cut right through the plastic, so be careful!
 

Anderz

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So far racerx has done my very first paint job and it's published in the gold KO project 3 thread under projects.

Be aware that the HK1 were Candy yellow special and the KO were Candy gold which is a darker shade.

Most Candy yellow specials have faded with time so keep that in mind. It's hard to know the original shade of them as the hk1 brochure does not match.
 

bry593

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Easiest way to see the original color is to take a razor blade and remove the "trail 70" decal. under that is a perfectly preserved oem color....
 
hk1's were red and yellow so i guess your not concerned about keeping it the original color to the H model.i dont see many custom H's in the gold color.post up some pics of the new paint job when your done!
will do!lol

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lol.yea. my headlight bucket is all metal thankfully.
 

hornetgod

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Candy Yellow Special is VERY hard to match. I've seen many attempts and only one painter pull it off. Contact "vrodsss" for pictures and painter. I painted my HK1 Candy Ruby Red.
 

johnsgm

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Weller heat gun will pull stickers with no effort. Put it on High and keep the gun moving then just peel / roll it off in large pieces.
 
well honestly it looks goldish yellow so i have no clue. kinda hard 2 tell if yellow or gold i checked the rear shoks axle and it looks yellow so i guess its candy yellow
 

What

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When we painted our k1 yellow special years ago, this was the closes we could come up with.
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MD500E

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"The Kit"

I just finished my '72 HK1 and used the Candy Yellow Special from the site that advertises here. Stripping was easy with a soda blaster. The other member was so correct to suggest epoxy or automotive catalyzed primer. The Home Depot primer will bubble under high quality paint. As for the color match, I'm pretty happy with it, and I agree with the other comments on here that it's got a little green in it, and it's brighter than your 39 year old paint color. Pics of my results are in the Project/Build section. Good Luck!
 

bry593

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I personally have the Kirker color chip chart and have compared it to ruby red, topaz orange and candy yellow. The K1 3-speed & HK1 4-speed candy yellow is in fact a very close match to Kirker Electric Lime candy (UC50), so yes, that color is sorta greenish. HOWEVER, you cannot shoot Kirker candy over Kirker Quicksilver base (UCB01) and have it match the original Honda 2-stage paint job. This is because the Quicksilver is super-disco aluminum flake, and will not match any CT paint. You must use a smaller metallic particle to match. I would recommend shooting the Kirker candy of over NH35M (Cloud Silver) as two coats cloud silver followed by 3-5 coats candy. I would skip clearcoating as the Kirker candy is just a candy concentrate added to clearcoat, so it will setup and be fairly UV resistant.

Also be aware that all Kirker paint is single stage, meaning it is clear with concentrates, metallics, etc mixed in. If you paint as Kirker recommends (they are trying to sell you paint), 2 coats Quicksilver, 4-5 coats candy and 2-coats clear, then your paint will be (2+4+2)*.0013"= ten thousandths thick!!! that's stupid thick!

You can also buy your own candy concentrates and add a few drops to clear coat of your local supplier to save some bucks. This isn't rocket science, but some experimentation with test cards is advised to make sure you get the proper number of coats to achieve the orignal match.

Here are some close matches for the OE CT70 paint:
3-4 coats Kirker Chianti Candy (UC10) over NH35 single stage urethane = ruby red (this is a dark red, not a bright red)
4-5 coats Kirker Atomic Orange (UC30) over NH35 single stage urethane = topaz orange (this is a dark orange, not a bright orange)

A huge benefit of using NH35M (PPG code 33778), is that you can shoot your wheels at the same time you are shooting the frame, forks, headlight bucket, etc. Since it's single stage, the wheels are done. After the wheels are tack free (1-2 hours), remove them from the room and spray a few coats of translucent candy on the frame and forks, etc whithin 24 hours and you are finished! No need to have several different expensive paints, nor several different paint types (i.e. tri-coat). Honda only did a two-stage, why should you do three? FYI, if your taillight bracket is rusty, you can abrasive blast it, epoxy primer and paint it cloud silver. Yeah, it's not original, but it looks pretty good and for a low-buck restore, looks way better than rust....

Anyway, that's my experience. Try it, you'll save a ton of money and the color is pretty close...

EDIT: More advice: Shoot your footpegs, tank bracket and K1+ headlight bucket with acrylic enamel satin (trim) black. This stuff is cheap and can use the same reducer used in the urethane single stage and clears. DO NOT SCREW UP LIKE I DID AND ADD HARDENER!!! It had been awhile since I last shot the trim black (shot the trim on a turbo Z) and the label had drips on it. I just mixed it up like normal acrylic enamel and added 4 :1 :1, paint:reducer:hardener... Unfortunately, hardener is NOT added to satin paints as it WILL make it gloss out just like regular gloss black... Now, my HKO and K1 have gloss black parts, DOH!!!!

EDIT 2: Turns out, I do have experience with candy yellow... That is the color that was on my 8/71 K1 3-speed. I always just assumed it was candy gold. So, the edit in all references above consists of replacing "Candy Gold" with "Candy Yellow". http://www.ct70honda.com/CT70ModelIdentificationGuide.html Yes, I did match a non-faded part of the bike to my Kirker chip chart, and it was definitely electric lime candy (UC50). I did not go back with this color (ruby red instead), but would bet a dollar to a donut, this is a very, very close match (especially over NH35M)...
 
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