XxAbsoluTxX
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im new here and i was wondering if anybody knows where to buy the original candy paints for ct 70s. in particular i am looking for the candy ruby red
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This one should probably go in the FAQ section, as it comes up a few times a year. The short answer is Colorite, if you cannot source paint from a local supply house. The long answer is that candy colors depend at least as much on application as the pigments/tints used in the paint.
Candy colors are applied in at least two, but usually three stages: base metallic, candy midcoat and clear topcoat. Surface prep and sanding has to be virtually perfect as these colors magnify every surface flaw. The primer must be free of orange peel, etc. Unlike normal metallics, with candies, a silver metallic basecoat is applied first. Then candy midcoat is applied in multiple thin coats until the correct color is "developed". It's thin as water, runs easily and must be applied evenly to avoid "tiger striping". Typically, it takes 3-6 coats. Candy Ruby red is one of the easier candy colors to apply, four coats usually gets the job done and for whatever reason, it's a little thicker than other midcoats, a nice bit of luck. Most current paint systems require a clear topcoat. That's a good thing, actually. It adds visual depth and protects an otherwise fragile finish.
Be prepared for "sticker shock". The cost of paint components has skyrocketed over the last several months.
Candy colors are applied in at least two, but usually three stages: base metallic, candy midcoat and clear topcoat. Surface prep and sanding has to be virtually perfect as these colors magnify every surface flaw. The primer must be free of orange peel, etc. Unlike normal metallics, with candies, a silver metallic basecoat is applied first. Then candy midcoat is applied in multiple thin coats until the correct color is "developed". It's thin as water, runs easily and must be applied evenly to avoid "tiger striping". Typically, it takes 3-6 coats. Candy Ruby red is one of the easier candy colors to apply, four coats usually gets the job done and for whatever reason, it's a little thicker than other midcoats, a nice bit of luck. Most current paint systems require a clear topcoat. That's a good thing, actually. It adds visual depth and protects an otherwise fragile finish.
Be prepared for "sticker shock". The cost of paint components has skyrocketed over the last several months.
Havin' fun
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I have used www.vintagehondapaint.com with success. My paint experience was none until my first ct70 (which is almost complete now) and it came with everything needed. very happy with them.
That's a mixed bag. Some have been happy with their results, others have not. The seller's knowledge of correct colors and the quantities needed were full of holes, with some bad advice given as a result. There's a lot of differences between colors, some go a lot further than others. If you run short of midcoat, you're screwed. Once the first coat gets mixed, the clock is ticking.
Everything needed to do a complete CT70 in HOK paints costs more than the kits, even using the least expensive HOK materials. HOK prices have increased roughly 50% in recent months and they weren't cheap to begin with. It is possible to use HOK dyes with cheaper vehicles (the bulk of the paint) and clearcoats, something that's widely practiced even in some custom shops in this area. I'm speaking from specific experience on this one.
Anyone considering the kits in question should ask how much of each material, whose materials and the actual colors they're getting. The answers may be interesting.
Everything needed to do a complete CT70 in HOK paints costs more than the kits, even using the least expensive HOK materials. HOK prices have increased roughly 50% in recent months and they weren't cheap to begin with. It is possible to use HOK dyes with cheaper vehicles (the bulk of the paint) and clearcoats, something that's widely practiced even in some custom shops in this area. I'm speaking from specific experience on this one.
Anyone considering the kits in question should ask how much of each material, whose materials and the actual colors they're getting. The answers may be interesting.
Just for a frame of reference...
My project bike was painted in April. I gave the painter a brand new 1991 frame to work with. To have it painted in House of Kolor candy (purple, in my case) was almost $1100. Now that is for painting a perfect frame, with a great factory finish that only need to be sanded for prep. It also took 11 coats to get the depth we were looking for.
It's beautiful, but the money is a little crazy.
Cheers!
John
My project bike was painted in April. I gave the painter a brand new 1991 frame to work with. To have it painted in House of Kolor candy (purple, in my case) was almost $1100. Now that is for painting a perfect frame, with a great factory finish that only need to be sanded for prep. It also took 11 coats to get the depth we were looking for.
It's beautiful, but the money is a little crazy.
Cheers!
John
Havin' fun
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Another place to get paint Probably where I'm getting mine when the time comes.
rick56
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Honda kandy paint
I bought the Ruby Red kit from Donnie at Vintage Honda Paint and I am very happy with the results. The whole kit was $128.00, very reasonable and I know how expensive automotive paints are. Try using camelion paint at $35.00 an oz! I was a little concerned when I got his kit. It looked like I would run out of material, but I was able to put on the silver base just fine. I had my frame and all the other parts blasted and epoxy primered so I did not need his primer. There was enough color to do five light coats on the frame, swingarm, chain guard and the four fork parts. Use an HVLP with the pressure down low and the material also low. You just want to lay on guide coats. If you try to spray on heavy coats it will run alot. Once your color coat is done, turn up the material because the clear coat is thicker. Again lay on your first clear coat with a light "guide coat" let that tack off, then crank up the material and lay on a thicker wet "juicy" coat. I made one goof on mine. I let 2/3 of my clear coat sit after mixing before I was done and it hardened. So now I need to sand and lay more clear coat on. But that was my fault not Donnie from Vintage Honda Paint. Good luck! Oh and imagine what you can do with the extra $1,000. you did not spend on a painter?
Rick
I bought the Ruby Red kit from Donnie at Vintage Honda Paint and I am very happy with the results. The whole kit was $128.00, very reasonable and I know how expensive automotive paints are. Try using camelion paint at $35.00 an oz! I was a little concerned when I got his kit. It looked like I would run out of material, but I was able to put on the silver base just fine. I had my frame and all the other parts blasted and epoxy primered so I did not need his primer. There was enough color to do five light coats on the frame, swingarm, chain guard and the four fork parts. Use an HVLP with the pressure down low and the material also low. You just want to lay on guide coats. If you try to spray on heavy coats it will run alot. Once your color coat is done, turn up the material because the clear coat is thicker. Again lay on your first clear coat with a light "guide coat" let that tack off, then crank up the material and lay on a thicker wet "juicy" coat. I made one goof on mine. I let 2/3 of my clear coat sit after mixing before I was done and it hardened. So now I need to sand and lay more clear coat on. But that was my fault not Donnie from Vintage Honda Paint. Good luck! Oh and imagine what you can do with the extra $1,000. you did not spend on a painter?
Rick
Havin' fun
Member
If I wanted it to look silly, I would have 100% of the bike chromed....
J/K...I have seen the Camelion paint WAY TOO often. I am still trying to figure out why the guy with the 1994 Ford Taurus used it for his car. To each their own I say.
Havin' fun
Member
I just got in the very same kit from Donnie today only in Candy Emerald green. The kit looks good so far and I will let everyone know just how good the end result is next month.
Before and AFTER pictures are prefered.....
Let's see it