Stimulus Sermon

Darthvader

Member
VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE -STIMULUS SERMON

Gen 47:13-27

Good morning, brothers and sisters; it's always a delight to see the pews
crowded on Sunday morning, and so eager to get into God's Word.
Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will to the 47th chapter of Genesis,
we'll begin our reading at verse 13, and go through verse 27.

Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us?

.... (reading)...

Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray... So we see that economic
hard times fell upon Egypt, and the people turned to the government of
Pharaoh to deal with this for them. And Pharaoh nationalized the grain
harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built. So
the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a great tax increase, and
gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And this went on until
their money ran out, and they were hungry again.

So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their livestock -their
cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey - to barter for grain,
and verse 17 says that only took them through the end of that year..

But the famine wasn't over, was it?

So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had
nothing left, except their land and their own lives. "There is nothing left
in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die
before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and
we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh." So they surrendered their
homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh's government, and then
sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain. What can we learn
from this, brothers and sisters?

That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider in hard
times only leads to slavery? Yes. That the only reason government wants
to be our provider is to also become our master? Yes.

But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled
in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen. And they gained possessions in
it, and were fruitful and mu ltiplied greatly." God provided for His
people, just as always has! They didn't end up giving all their possessions
to government, no, it says they gained possessions!

But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous one. We see the
same thing happening today - the government today wants to "share the wealth
"once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us. It wants to
take control of health care, just as it has taken control of education, and
ration it back to us, and when government rations it, then government
decides who gets it, and how much, and what kind. And if we go along with
it, and do it willingly, then we will wind up no differently than the people
of Egypt did four thousand years ago - as slaves to the government, and as
slaves to our leaders.

What Mr. Obama's government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh's
government did then, and it will end the same. And a lot of people like to
call Mr. Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a Messiah? A savior? Didn't
the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, "You have saved our
lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh"?

Well, I tell you this - I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of
mine; and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters, if Mr. Obama
is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.

Bow with me in prayer, if you will.

O Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You, and You
alone. We confess that the government is not our deliverer, and never
rightly will be. We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel
warned the people of what a ruler would do, where it says "And in that day
you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves,
but the LORD will not answer you in that day." And Lord, we acknowledge
that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have
chosen for ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this nation. We pray
for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our
masters. Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, and protect
Your people from the atrocities of Pharaoh's government.

In God We Trust...
 

Donald_50

Member
Stimulus Sermon...

Darthvader;
I think what you have shared with all of us is GREAT...Really makes me think about just what our Government is up-to and why !

I have given this a lot of thought...

I believe it is God who puts " Kings in Kings places...!"

For a reason !

Donald
San Marcos, CA
 

a_smerek

Member
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than
standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

- Thomas Jefferson, 1802:

And this is what Woodrow Wilson wrote, after he was bribed Christmas eve by a group of corrupt bankers (which Prescott Bush was part of) to pass the federal reserve act, when most members of congress were off and could not vote,

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country.
A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

- Woodrow Wilson 1913
 

kmcrab

120cc
I meant to ask you...In the obama thread you stated that...(I'm not quoting here, but the just the heart of what you said)

Americans have nice homes/cars/possessions due to the fact of Mortgages, Car Payments and Credit Cards and that a bum on the street with a bottle was in better financial shape than most Americans.

Do most Canadians not have Mortgages/Car Payments/Credit Cards? I have wondered about that since I read it. Thanks
 

a_smerek

Member
No, I never ever said that

I made it quite clear that ALL countries with central banks are designed this way

Kings learned long ago, that slaves were expensive to keep and house

They lent the people money at interest, and let the hard work of the people make that money worth its value, and let the people pay for their own needs at interest too

What work did the kings do printing the money to give it value? Nothing

The illusion of freedom through debt is a better system

Nobody is more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsely believe they are free

In Canada it is just as bad, the Bank of Canada can do anything to our economy, and our elected government has no say at all. Our Government is extremely corrupt and really just a side show to distract Canadians from the fact corporations run the country and the prime minister is a puppet that does what he is told

In a system where every dollar printed is printed at interest, more than the entire supply of money is always owed. It is a perpetually increasing system of debts, where banks continue to make massive profits. Banks actually do not do anything of value, they collect interest on money they create from thin air. This is not a design flaw, it is done intentionally, and always leads to failure. Unfortunately failure of this system bails out the people who are responsible for it, bankers, who in the end benefit even more from the common hard worker

If you read your history you will learn the main reason the United States is an independent country is because your forefathers refused to borrow the British pound at interest, kicked out the British and created an interest free greenback dollar

Until the central bankers worked their way back in

Your very country was founded on an honest money system, and I applaud your forefathers for refusing to give the lands they conqured to the British, and printed an honest dollar based on gold, which is worth something and doesn't expand out of control through inflation and interest
 

kmcrab

120cc
Karen ,
I think he has made it quite clear what he thinks of Americans .


I got that impression...It's this statement that I was curious about..The way it was written made me wonder if a_smereck was telling us that the majority of Canadian's had no debt. Common sense says they do, but I thought I would just ask. This statement is copied from the original.


"look at the average American, living good with a good job, nice house, cars and possessions

house - mortgaged
cars - payments
possesions - credit cards

Its all debt with no real value attached. A bum drinking from a winebottle on the street with no money, and no debt, actually is much further ahead than the average American financially"

Thanks
 

topr

Member
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than
standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

- Thomas Jefferson, 1802:


It's a little hypo critical to go on a "America was built on slavery rant" in another thread and then turn around and use a Thomas Jefferson quote to make a point...don't you think?






If you read your history you will learn the main reason the United States is an independent country is because your forefathers refused to borrow the British pound at interest, kicked out the British and created an interest free greenback dollar

Huh? I was under the impression it was to get away from despotism and theocratic rule. I guess all my history books were wrong.
 
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a_smerek

Member
When I use the word slavery, I refer to the fact that you have no options in what currency you work for, or control of it, nor does your government

I didn't word it well at all, I should have said 'economic slaves' built America

Think about it for a second. If you could just loan people money you didn't have, and they did work and repaid you with interest, you would be in a great position to collect money and do nothing for it.

This is, unfortunately, exactly the position the federal reserve bank is in

You can pay them 25 year mortgages, basically the entire principal value in interest over that time. They never had the money in the first place, but made your hard work give them value

You have no choice but to use this system. Your elected leaders and government also have no choice but to your this system, and you pay those debts also

If you want a good job you need an education, this requires most people to loan money
You need a car to get to your job, this requires most people to loan money
As for housing, very few people can pay cash for a house = mortgage = interest over decades

It means you need to borrow a lot of money, to have the ability to work for money

It is a system designed to keep profit flowing into banks

If you want to be president, and change this system, you turn to corporations to fund your campaign, and answer to them once you are elected, because they put you there. To be elected President also costs money, and banks control money

In the end, the banks control the economy, and everyone works for the economy

I can't imagine what the Candian debt will be when my daughter starts working, and how she is expected to pay for it. The burden will be massive, and she had no hand in creating that burden. I have to accept the fact she may have much less than me, as the middle class is fading and the gap between rich and poor gets even wider
 

steampick

Member
A theocracy is a state where the government believes themselves to be "divinely guided," in other words, they believe God is on their side. A despot is somebody with absolute authority, like Stalin. Niether of these terms really describes England at that time, though they were certainly bastards. I always thought the split with England was over taxes imposed on the tea.

Anyway, slogans like "God bless America" are highly theocratic, so in the end, you didn't really escape theocracy, you just created a new one.
 

topr

Member
A theocracy is a state where the government believes themselves to be "divinely guided," in other words, they believe God is on their side.

You mean kind of like a monarchy replacing the pope with a king as head of the church and claiming dissension for those who disagreed with his/monarchy religious interpretation?



A despot is somebody with absolute authority, like Stalin.

...or a 16th century king.


I always thought the split with England was over taxes imposed on the tea.

I think that was kind of the "straw that broke the camels back"?

Anyway, slogans like "God bless America" are highly theocratic, so in the end, you didn't really escape theocracy, you just created a new one.

If by "new one" you mean, accepting religions of "every" kind, then yes I agree. The word god on a one dollar bill does not a theocracy make.
 
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a_smerek

Member
the words NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM in latin mean

'a new order has begun'

nothing is further from the truth

on the $1 US bill, printed by the federal reserve, a new order begun

one where bankers were the order, not the government elected by the people
 

topr

Member
the words NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM in latin mean

'a new order has begun'

nothing is further from the truth

on the $1 US bill, printed by the federal reserve, a new order begun

one where bankers were the order, not the government elected by the people


Hey I agree with you on that...the bakers are "me first pricks"
 
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