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OLD CT

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That same thing happened to me in 2006. I would be able to start the bike, but when you give it gas it would stall. I actually heard it zapping! The mechanic that you asked probably doesn't know you can unscrew the bad cap snip a 1/4 inch off and replace it. Coils last a long time, caps crack from being hit by a rock or stick and the ''wire connection'' can easily get loose and screw up from being tugged on, or removed to check/change the plug etc.
 

WipeoutWm

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It looked like it was coming from the opening of the cap to the head. I did replace the spark cap, with a new resistor cap. It continued to leak spark. A very unusual symptom! But new condenser eliminated the problem.
Thanks for posting!

OldCT, that's just what I did. Snipped off about half an inch, screwed on the new cap.
 

cjpayne

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I wonder if the condenser was causing it to "over volt" somehow. Never seen that before. I could imagine a cracked plug insulator doing that.
 

69ST

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The condenser not only changes voltage at the plug, it also changes the shape of the voltage curve, as the crank (and with it, the flywheel) rotates...kinda like point gap affecting dwell angle.

Electrical energy follows the path of least resistance. Somewhat counter-intuitively, voltage at the plug should be higher with a healthy condenser in the circuit. However, the current would also be released more rapidly, i.e. "all at once". On an oscilloscope, you'd see a sharper curve, ideally approaching a square waveform. With an inadequate condenser, voltage would build more gradually (visually, a smoother curve), with the wire & cap providing some capacitance...until it reached a level high enough to jump the air gap. Think of the flywheel magnet, it's long enough to span several degrees of crank rotation. Electrical energy builds until it's rotated past the primary coil armature. In physics, I once learned how to estimate arc voltage by the length of the arc (a.k.a. spark gap); there is a linear relationship between voltage and maximum gap size. That's why I said "somewhat counter-intuitively"...the combination of a dying condenser, with a secondary gap at the end of the HT lead, especially if there's oxidation at the ends of both can result in this kind of arcing, at a voltage that's lower than what the plug normally sees. The car makers taught a lot of folks a hard lesson, back in the 1970s, when plug gaps were opened up from the typical .035" to .060"...failed plug wires became almost epidemic - and were easily diagnosed, at night.
 

WipeoutWm

Member
Man! You guys sure bring the encyclopedic knowledge! Physics, for Murphy's sake! Thanks to all!

IN other topics, does anyone need a brand new in package coil? Purchase was part of my education fee...
 
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