CT70H Carb Problem

Austin Ewald

New Member
I been having a issue with my carb. I have the throttle open all the way. and it only acts like its idling. I release the throttle and it dies. only really starts with WOT. wont start when down all the way. I cleaned my carb once. Any help is useful to me thanks!
 

69ST

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This one's probably going to take some time and back & forth communication to figure out. It could be a carb issue...or something else entirely. How's the compression? Have you verified point gap? What, exactly, did you do as part of the carb cleaning, i.e. the specific steps? Consider these the first steps of the diagnostic process, IOW a good beginning...and go from there.
 

Austin Ewald

New Member
I don't have a gauge to measure that. but I was told it has new piston in late 70s then it was put away. I have put new head on it. carb was just cleaned like blowing air thru all holes and sprayed carb cleaner and wiped things down. its a cheap chinese carb. took it off and cleaned again. and blew air thru all holes. Going to let it soak in a cleaner when i go get it. was acting funny in may when i had put filter on it. but I didnt touch it untill late june to replace head.
 

Cleato904

Active Member
If you put to much oil on an air filter, or your valves are to loose you'll get the same results/problem running also. Like racerx said check the points. If all that's good your muffler could be dirt dobbered up from sitting so long.
 

69ST

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A new piston...with rings and a proper overbore + honing might not mean anything, 40 years later. If the engine wasn't stored properly, the cylinder walls could rust, so could a valve & seat. Most typically, compression loss is due to valves that no longer seal. You don't necessarily need a compression gauge to check compression. Turn the kickstarter by hand, slowly. If you feel sharp resistance on the compression stroke, that's an indication of decent compression. OTOH, if you have a tough time figuring out when then compression stroke is reached, ruh-roh. General rule of thumb sez bad valve(s) & seat(s) gives manifests as low compression, bad ring-to-cylinder seal as oil smoke. Normal compression readings 150-165 for a healthy engine, 130psi+ to get so-so power, 90-100psi minimum to get an engine to fire.

Since you've installed a new head, I assume that valve sealing is a non-issue and you've inspected the cylinder, so no rust or scoring is present. How about cam timing. If the cam sprocket is off by one tooth, the engine would barely run...making this a worthwhile item to verify, along with point gap.

No idea of your carburetor's condition, or even which carb it is. If it's new, it should be clean inside. When rebuilding a stock Keihin carb, the jets are usually replaced and the emulsion tube (which is also the main jet holder) is unscrewed from the main body casting, then every wall orifice carefully rodded-out, using a fine wire. Chemical cleaning alone will NOT suffice.

For now, try a few drops of gasoline down the spark plug hole, or in through the top of the carb (unscrew the cap) then seeing if it'll fire. If comes to life with more enthusiasm, then it looks like a fuel restriction problem. Obviously, it'll only run like this until those drops of fuel are used-up, a few seconds.
 

Austin Ewald

New Member
it ran good when i had the carb off and put bit of fuel down the intake. im guessing its the fuel cap, its missing the black part inside. so i got one of those coming. and I have ordered a stator off dratv for the ct70h but dont think thats the right taper as tighting the nut down stops the crank from turning. so i went ahead and order cdi kit to get rid of points and that crap. so when i get back to in a month i hope i can get it running again and start riding it again. but for now im putting this on hold till i get my parts!
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
Going by your test result, you have a fuel starvation problem. Neither the gas cap, nor ignition, have anything to do with it. You have to fix the fuel delivery problem or it's not going to run. I'd be working on isolating the fuel flow restriction...now. Get that fixed first, before changing anything else on the engine. Otherwise, you could end up chasing down ignition AND carburetion problems, a huge nightmare compared to what you're dealing with at present.

CDI is a nice upgrade, I'm not a fan of breaker points, either. FYI, the 4-speed (H-model) crank has a different taper than the 3-speeds. Crank, stator and flywheel must be considered as a complete assembly. 3-speed & 4-speed version of those parts do not interchange.
 
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