Little higher ground speed

Jane

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Spousal unit wants to change sprockets to get a little more speed. Seems 1st gear is almost worthless except for wheelies haha. Right now with the wind to my back I can go a little over 30 mph. Husband (and I) would like the opinion of the forum Gurus, what say ya'll? Oh, bike has barely 2000 miles on her and has original chain and stuff which need replacement anyway.
 

69ST

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Stock sprocket combos, of 3-speeds: K0 -15/38, K1-later 15/35. Both work out to 4.77mph/1000rpm in top (3rd) gear. Don't worry too much about the hardcore tech side of this. I'm trying to explain just how precise gearing has to be with these little engines. At most, you can go one tooth smaller at the wheel. That would give you 3% taller gearing. Any taller and the engine won't have enough torque to pull normally in 3rd gear. 37 & 34t wheel sprockets don't exactly grow on trees...sourcing either would be a bit of a hassle. And you'd only gain 1mph for your trouble...maybe.

Seems far more likely that the motor is down on power...waay down. A healthy stocker should top out in the low 40s, over flat terrain, given a long enough runway. Yours is coming up ~30% short which, by the numbers, indicates an engine that is delivering roughly half its stock horsepower. You're right, 2000 miles isn't much; these engines should deliver several times that. But, lack of maintenance and decades of improper storage can take a heavy toll.

A clogged air filter, dirty carburetor, improperly gapped points can choke-off an otherwise sound engine. Worn sprockets, a rusted/arthritic chain and even sticking brakes can all scrub-off mph, as well.

You probably have some combination of the above issues. Despite coming across as a large-ish grocery list, it's really not that tough to work your way through. I'd start with the point gap & air filter. Resetting points is free. Air filter elements are cheap. Next up, inspect the chain & sprockets; if they're worn, replace them...you'll have to do that anyway. Next up would be a carburetor rebuild. If it's still not running up-to-speed (literally) time for a compression check; less than 130-140psi, indicates that it's time for a valve job at least.
 

Jane

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Stock sprocket combos, of 3-speeds: K0 -15/38, K1-later 15/35. Both work out to 4.77mph/1000rpm in top (3rd) gear. Don't worry too much about the hardcore tech side of this. I'm trying to explain just how precise gearing has to be with these little engines. At most, you can go one tooth smaller at the wheel. That would give you 3% taller gearing. Any taller and the engine won't have enough torque to pull normally in 3rd gear. 37 & 34t wheel sprockets don't exactly grow on trees...sourcing either would be a bit of a hassle. And you'd only gain 1mph for your trouble...maybe.

Seems far more likely that the motor is down on power...waay down. A healthy stocker should top out in the low 40s, over flat terrain, given a long enough runway. Yours is coming up ~30% short which, by the numbers, indicates an engine that is delivering roughly half its stock horsepower. You're right, 2000 miles isn't much; these engines should deliver several times that. But, lack of maintenance and decades of improper storage can take a heavy toll.

A clogged air filter, dirty carburetor, improperly gapped points can choke-off an otherwise sound engine. Worn sprockets, a rusted/arthritic chain and even sticking brakes can all scrub-off mph, as well.

You probably have some combination of the above issues. Despite coming across as a large-ish grocery list, it's really not that tough to work your way through. I'd start with the point gap & air filter. Resetting points is free. Air filter elements are cheap. Next up, inspect the chain & sprockets; if they're worn, replace them...you'll have to do that anyway. Next up would be a carburetor rebuild. If it's still not running up-to-speed (literally) time for a compression check; less than 130-140psi, indicates that it's time for a valve job at least.

Thank you Racerrx, yes it has 15/35 T sprocks, a new carburator came with it and air cleaner is good. Will have Hubby mess with the other stuff...Will report the outcome...
 

69ST

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Sometimes, a little deductive reasoning is all it takes to get headed in the right direction. Don't get me wrong, detail is good and lack of detail oftentimes makes things more difficult. I made some educated guesses, requested some additional input. Looks like you now have a good starting point to begin setting things right. Not everyone is equally familiar with the technical side of things and we like helping-out those who come here to cure what ails their machinery and assist them in gaining experience. As with anything else, there's a learning curve.
 

Jane

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Hubby is amazed my lil bike ran as well as it did....says points are shot and misaligned, capaciter (?) is looking bad, kind of like it's leaking. Lil girl starts 1st kick and runs smoothly, hubby says it's retarded, how mean :47: Parts are on order from CHP, new seat too!!!
 

69ST

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If the capacitor is leaking, then it truly is amazing that the motor runs at all. Definitely time for some fresh ignition parts. Those vintage points/condenser/felt don't owe you anything, at this late date.

Getting the ignition & carburetor sorted out and healthy before attempting further diagnosis is sound, basic, practice. Once those are in tip-top operating condition...then one can begin trying to isolate other potential issues downstream. And virtually everything else in the driveline is downstream of these systems.
 

Jane

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WoW! Fuel lines were kinked BAD (2 fuel filters) wtf???? Starts 1st. kick and runs good, 35 or so mph and runs smooth, can't wait for new, lower seat!
 
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