Major Honda Modification issues

steampick

Member
My little group of 40+ year old friends and I are in the middle of an increasingly interesting build. Here's what we've got so far, and I've got one safety issue I wanted to bring up.

Okay, we've taken a 1972 Z50 tube frame (it was from a softtail Z50, 1972 being the first time Honda introduced the softtail), then added a CR80 (circa 1980) swingarm onto the back, and put the CR80 front forks onto the Z50 triple tree. The CR80 bascially has the forks from a 1980 and up CT, so the mods needed to get that on weren't that advanced. In fact, we even managed to put the old Z50 fork ears on it! Again, a hacksaw and grinder were needed for that.

Now, the thing is ready to have it's engine dropped into it, so we've been coasting around on it sans engine to get a feel for it. It sits very high, what with the CT70 rims we have on it, and your knees are right up to the triple tree top plate, whereas with a CT70 you'd have to be waaaaay up on the seat to have your knees touch the top plate (I'm 6'1"). There is quite a bit more clearance under the engine too, which would be good for watery areas.

Of course, the seats on these Z50 frames were adjustable, but by simply dropping the seat, you actually would be raising your knees up and making the bend at the ankle a bit more extreme (and uncomfortable). So we thought to perhaps also move the seat back while moving it down, thus placing the rider's weight more directly over the shock mounts. Which gets to my safety question: Would doing this on a frame not meant to have the rider's weight right over the shock mounts be risking shock mount warpage; at least, would it greatly increase the risk?

Naturally, pics will be forthcoming, but probably not until Sunday.
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
A halfway decent pair of shocks, plus a minimal amount of sanity while riding and no worries. As long as they're not damaged, the upper shock mounts should be fine. Extreme shock loading, such as hard bottoming-out after an overly enthusiastic stunt jump seems to be what bends shock mounts. A major pothole or rough railroad crossing could conceivably impart the same harsh impact. And, being mild steel, they do usually bend (an early warning, of sorts), as opposed to snapping-off the first time. What I'd be more concerned about is front-to-rear weight distribution. Shifting the bike's balance rearward will tend to lighten the front end, making it more wheelie-prone and less stable at speed; probably not much of an issue, if you go mild with hp. On the other hand, if plans call for some real roadworthy power, then you might be better off fabbing a custom footrest assembly, or sourcing a rearset assembly, for added knee clearance.
 

steampick

Member
Here's some pictures of the build. The rear swingarm is from an XR 80, not a CR80 as I said earlier. And the front forks are from a 1980 CT70. We just sat a CT70 seat on it for kicks for the photos. It would be tricky to actually mount it on that frame, so we'll probably just mod up the Z50 frame.

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ghunt

Member
That's looks cool make's me want to get Z50 and trick it out, I wonder how hard it is to plate them for the road, (Monkey Mania)
 

steampick

Member
I rarely ride any of my bikes on the road. When I do, it's generally some very, very back road. I'm a bit lucky in that I have a friend with a large work space/garage who owns and has access to a good bit of land. We''re also within close hauling distance of even more great trails, so we load them up and take 'em to where I believe they were truly made to go. Don't get me wrong, if I can find a very rural, police-free stretch of 5 or so miles of road, I'll definitely be cruising down it on the CT70. But real (see legal) road riding is something I don't (and can't) do.
 

makotosun

Member
Interesting build, and very similar to my plans for my Panda. XR80 Swingarm coupled with a ZB50 front end. I am thinking I want a lower profile tire setup, but it is interesting to see the CT70 seat on there. Actually fits pretty well. I am still in the parts acquisition and mock up stages. Keep your pics coming!
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
In the photos, at least, the CT70 bits look like they belong and the raised stance of the bike has taken on more of a contemporary motard aesthetic. IMO, you can't go too far wrong with OEM pieces; maintaining an OEM-like appearance is just as much of a challenge as anything.

I'd be tempted to build an adapter bracket setup to fit that seat. A few scraps of 0.250" steel plate, a MIG welder and some creativity should take care of the rear supports & latch. I envision a bolt-on adapter plate arrangement that simply uses the original seat mounting holes in the frame. It's the front that will be challenging and likely require weldments. That said, a flip-up CT70 seat combined with a single-spar frame would allow for extra toolkit holders attached to the seat pan. Dunno how useful that would be for your situation, but hidden storage has always been tough to come by on small bikes, so may as well take advantage of the opportunity.
 

steampick

Member
Thanks for the tips. We are actually looking at modding out a few of our CT70s with some left side storage containers at this very moment.

I agree that the OEM CT parts really do seem to "fit" the bike, and yes, it's the front part of the seat bracket mod that would be the most trouble in getting a CT seat on a Z50 frame. The original CT seat bracket for the front is actually very close to sliding over the Z50 frame, but not quite.

I also agree that the tires are a bit big looking, and look even bigger when sitting on the bike. We really do get a kick out of combining OEM parts from Honda's various lines of little bikes and making something new, yet still very much retaining the look of a Honda.

Here's a few more photos of various parts of the bike at various stages of what is still in many ways just a mock up.

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steampick

Member
Thought about that, but really, the bike isn't uncomfortable to sit on right now, and we like the idea of it having a good bit of clearance under it.
 

steampick

Member
Ha! Yeah, they may be small, but get enough of them and they're hard to hide. There's actually about 16 or 17 in that garage, split among about 4 different owners.
 

drewbird911

New Member
Nice collection of CT's in the background! How many do you have? To answer the original question that's why the are called Monkey bikes because everyone (adult) looks like a trained Monkey when driving one. That is one of my fears / reasons that I hesitate to get a Z50 at 6"-2" 200 lbs.

Nice build and keep the picture coming, can you get one with a normal sized rider on it?

TIA
 
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