1977 Honda CT70

allenp42

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Recently acquired a 77 CT70 in a trade that I plan on fixing up this fall/winter. Looking for a few parts that I know I'm going to need.

Battery Box (one I have has rot on bottom). K3 thru 79 are all the same?

Headlight Chrome Trim Ring This one has the extra screw at about the 5:00 o'clock position. From what I can tell, K1 thru about 81 are all the same?

Speedo Cable, black (low priority)

Tail light base (maybe). Not sure if mine will clean up or not. Has heaving pitting in a spot or 2. K3 - thru 79 are the same?

Does anyone know the number stamped on the carb? I checked carb listing file here and the carb number, which is stamped on the flange, is not shown. K3 thru 77 are the same?

This is my first attempt at sprucing up a later model CT70. If you have any of these parts, please post or drop me a PM.
 
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smitfire

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533A on the carb, I have a used one if needed. I have found many issues with fitment of CHP parts. I have been disappointed many times. Use OEM whenever possible.
 

allenp42

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Thanks for the info and offer on the carb. I have a couple of those already but I wasn't sure if 533A was correct for a 77.
 

69ST

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Recently acquired a 77 CT70 in a trade that I plan on fixing up this fall/winter. Looking for a few parts that I know I'm going to need.

Battery Box (one I have has rot on bottom). K3 thru 79 are all the same?

Headlight Chrome Trim Ring This one has the extra screw at about the 5:00 o'clock position. From what I can tell, K1 thru about 81 are all the same?

Speedo Cable, black (low priority)

Tail light base (maybe). Not sure if mine will clean up or not. Has heaving pitting in a spot or 2. K3 - thru 79 are the same?

Does anyone know the number stamped on the carb? I checked carb listing file here and the carb number, which is stamped on the flange, is not shown. K3 thru 77 are the same?

This is my first attempt at sprucing up a later model CT70. If you have any of these parts, please post or drop me a PM.
How bad is the rust? I'm reasonably certain that the battery carriers you listed are, in fact, the same. However, K3-later parts availability is sporadic. Unless the carrier is structurally weak, the bottom portion doesn't matter a whole lot...other than your own peace-of-mind, perhaps. Even in a worst-case scenario...rusted -through along the bottom...it can be repaired, then re-plated. These things usually turn out very nicely, show-quality, in the visible areas. It's more a matter of cost.

That HL ring is a tough item to replace, because most of these came equipped with sealed beam bulbs...which are stupidly expensive, and not very good. The extra screw is an aiming screw. There are some that have it with the "offroad" reflector assembly. They're few & far between but unobtainium rare. If you find one, it's worth rechroming as you'll have a desirable OEM part that uses the cheap $3.50 replaceable bulbs. Be forewarned, K1-`79 are different from the K0 type, which uses a different mounting setup, i.e. K0 doesn't interchange with any later models.

AFAIK, K0-77 used the same carb. A fellow member posted a model number by bike model/year table; can't recall who it was. If you just want a carb that looks right and works properly, your choice...rebuild a vintage original, source NOS or a TB reproduction from any number of established vendors.
 

allenp42

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"How bad is the rust?"

You are correct about the typical rot. I may repair it if one doesn't show up here or on e-Bay in the next month or so.

"That HL ring is a tough item to replace, because most of these came equipped with sealed beam bulbs...which are stupidly expensive, and not very good."

I thinking I found a decent chrome trim, and it's on the way. Yeah, I saw that the sealed beams are touch pricey. May soon be looking for an alternative, but at least I can sleep at night knowing that I have the correct parts -:)

Appreciate all the help!

By the way, I have that handy dandy file that Dezdan created saved to hard drive. I use it every now and then.
 

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69ST

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I'd save the NOS sealed beam for display purposes only. The light output is no better than the "offroad" version, with the inexpensive bulb. The only difference is obscene oath quantity/intensity quotient when one fails. Seriously, for actual use, you'll come out ahead with aftermarket HL guts...a.k.a. the reflector & chrome ring assembly.

Got a pic of the battery carrier? I might be able to help.
 

allenp42

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I attached a pic.

I'd save the NOS sealed beam for display purposes only. The light output is no better than the "offroad" version, with the inexpensive bulb. The only difference is obscene oath quantity/intensity quotient when one fails. Seriously, for actual use, you'll come out ahead with aftermarket HL guts...a.k.a. the reflector & chrome ring assembly.

Got a pic of the battery carrier? I might be able to help.
 

allenp42

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OLDCT - That's what I thought as well. It caught me off guard because at first glance, it looked ok from the top side with insert in place.

What's even more surprising, there is not a speck or even a smell of rust inside the battery compartment.

I added a couple new pics so you can see it from the top and one side.
 

69ST

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After seeing the pix, I agree with Pat...worst I've ever seen, bar none. Glad you mentioned the lack of further acid damage to the frame itself. I'd have expected the internal heat shield to look more like lace...rendered in sheetmetal.

This thing could be repaired. Welding-in a new piece of metal at the bottom would be easy enough, and not visible while a battery is in place. That said, mo`better to just source another carrier...imho.
 

kirrbby

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I probably have one...it might be a few days before I can look, but I'll let you know. Is the main box all you need? You have the plastic liner?
 

kirrbby

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I thought the TL base changed to the black plastic part starting...76 maybe?? Is yours the chrome steel, or plastic?
 

allenp42

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According to Partzilla, K3 - 79 are all the same. I've attached a screen shot from Partzilla to show the shape.
 

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