Engine Oil and Screen

69ST

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This is an evergreen topic, that eventually polarizes folks. It's also more important than ever, since automotive oil has been reformulated in a way that delivers the worst possible combination of properties for these engines.

Honda GN4 is good oil, if a tad pricey. Take it FWIW, I've run it exclusively for the past two decades with excellent results...22K miles on the motor (Honda Nice 110, in the interest of full disclosure) and nary the slightest sign of fatigue. It's still wearing the factory valve lash settings. That said, is it the "best"? ...highly debatable. Is it the only oil anyone should ever use in one of these engines?...no. There are other excellent oils out there that are wet-clutch compatible, meet current JASO specs and have adequate zinc to protect the tranny (especially the shift forks). Castrol, Valvoline, Spectro, AMSoil, Motul and others all sell this type of oil. I am unabashedly old-school...translation, stick with what works unless & until there's an overwhelming reason to change.

At less than a quart per oil change, how many quarts are you ever going to use in one year? That's key, because the best oil (within the required specs) is clean oil. For a bike that sees few miles annually, you're better off changing oil every couple hundred miles, or so, after break-in. For a high-mileage road bike, 400-mile intervals are getting near the upper end; I go by color. When the oil starts getting a suntan, time to change it. The other important part of engine maintenance is cleaning the oil spinner, inside the clutch face. After break-in, it should be cleaned every 1K miles or at the end of the riding season (annually) whichever comes first. Prior to offseason storage, the oil should be completely drained, while hot, & the spinner cleaned...that'll prevent sludge from ever forming. The oil screen can be cleaned, it never needs to be replaced. It's there to catch big stuff...boats, old tires, etc:34:
 

bjf

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So it being 40 weight is fine? I wasn't sure if the stamping on the case of 30 or 20 meant anything. I know there are many arguments on oil but as long as it works I'm fine with getting it. Should I do the screen too or can it just be cleaned? I haven't really tried to pull it out.

I'm a novice at this and really just rebuilding this bike out of the hell it. What is the oil spinner?
 

69ST

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Choose viscosity by ambient air temp and high peak oil temp the engine will reach. With a completely stock motor, 10W40 will probably be fine...unless you're riding along at 40mph+, at wide-open throttle. I'm a fair weather rider, and 99% road, so I run 20W50, as these days it's as close as it gets to straight 30W in the proper formula. I also monitor oil temp and allow it to reach 60C, minimum, before completing the warmup through subdivision roads. It can take a few miles to reach normal operating temp, 80C. I doubt that any of this really applies to your situation. Below 60F, ambient air temp, you should run 10W40 anyway.

The oil spinner is what Honda refers to as the "centrifugal oil filter". It's the chamber inside the clutch face, behind the throwout bearing flange. That's all that keeps the engine from shredding itself on normal clutch disc debris and it's more effective than seems possible...as long as it's cleaned out on a timely basis. Few owners ever did this back in the day, resulting in premature wear. It's not uncommon to find a CT70 engine in desperate need of a rebuild with less than 2K miles on the clock, way too soon. With regular spinner cleanings & oil changes, these engines can go 10+ times that mileage, between rebuilds.

The screen is oftentimes mistaken for the oil filter...a strong wrong. :bangin: It's easy to clean, just pull it out of the case casting. You shouldn't find it holding much, beyond a few cleaning rag fibers. If you do find something big, or an excessive amount of debris, take that as an indication of something major gone pear-shaped.
 

bjf

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I'm in Los Angeles so its mostly over 60. So I assume I should just get the 10w-30 if I can. Wonder why CHP doesn't have it. Do you have a pic of the oil spinner? I have my clutch cover off and obviously no oil in the bike so now is a good time to clean it.
 

OLD CT

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I never heard of anyone using 10w30 m/c oil in a CT70. Racerx mentioned 10w40 and 20w50. 10w40 is fine. Unless you can do 50+ mph for a stretch, then use 20w50. You need a hammer activated impact driver for the three clutch face cover screws. No way they are going to come out by hand. Good luck.
 

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kirrbby

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The oil spinner is this area, under that small cover. It will likely be caked with dirt and the the material, formerly known as, your clutches fiber plates.

Have you seen CJ's oil spinner thread??

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bjf

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The oil spinner is this area, under that small cover. It will likely be caked with dirt and the the material, formerly known as, your clutches fiber plates.

Have you seen CJ's oil spinner thread??

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Where is the oil spinner thread?
 
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69ST

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Here's what you're probably going to find inside the oil spinner, including the center drive element that mounts everything to the crankshaft, along with what it should look like when clean, and the proper assembly of the clutch linkage. You don't have to remove the clutch to clean the oil spinner. It's easier, on the bench. A 4-prong spanner socket is needed. If you decide to do this, it'd be a good idea to dis-assemble the clutch and clean the inside of the basket, where the plates & discs are located. There'll be hardened debris in there, too.
 

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bjf

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Thanks for all the info. Not sure how deep I want to go. I had only planned to change the tires on my bike and the exhaust guard. 3k later, my bike has fresh paint. I was attempting to paint the clutch cover when I screwed up the seal so the whole thing is apart.

Anyway I just realized that the engine says SAE30 not 10/30. Now the 10/40 oil that CHP sells makes more sense.
 

OLD CT

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I strongly suggest you clean the spinner. It's the one major thing that you can do to keep the engine alive. Also, you keep mentioning oil on CHP'S website? Why buy oil from CHP and have to pay for shipping? :106: Autozone, Advance auto has Valvoline and Castrol 4 stroke M/C oil in 10w/40 20w/50. Or go right to a dealer and buy Honda oil if they are close. If you use some heat like a mini torch it will help with extracting the screws. Worse comes to worse, you can carefully drill the heads off and pop off the cover and easily remove the threaded remains and replace them with allen head screws. You will have no problem doing it this way.
 
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69ST

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You need a hammer-driven impact driver, that's not optional. The two remaining screws don't look too bad, in your photo. An good impact driver, tight-fitting JIS bit and a little valve lapping compound should do the job. Try heating the cover a little.

Worst case, the heads can be drilled off; a good extractor is preferable. You don't appear to be to that stage yet.
 
ancora imparo (I am still learning)... Three hours later and one of the stripped screws came out (no joy with the impact driver, no joy with the the dremmel a slot with a cutiff wheel and try to jimmy it with a flat head, then finally success drilling and using a reverse fluted extractor... First time I've had to do that, so nice success on that. However, on the last one, I think a tip of the bit broke off in the hole and I'm having a helluva time drilling. Thirty minutes and zero progress. Not sure where to go from here. Help appreciated.

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kirrbby

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I highly recommend buying a set of left hand drill bits. Most auto parts, and hardware stores carry them and they're not expensive. Drill about a ⅛" hole… 3/16 deep. Then drill again with about a 3/16" bit. Usually it will spin the screw out before you get the head drilled off. Works well either way.

You could also try to spin the screw using a punch and hammer, trying to spin it just a smidge, to break it loose. If you can move it at all with the punch, you can finish with a screwdriver.
 

kirrbby

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Forgot to say... Don't bother with the drill if your extractor is broken off in there. It will just dull your bit and cause you grief. Go with the punch and hammer trick.
 
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