How fast does your stock CT70 go?

Just wondering because I've never ridden any but my own which has 9,500 miles and is bone stock. Mine goes about 35 tops with me on it (170lbs) and slows way way down with my GF on too and going up hills. Is this normal or is the engine less powerful than it should be? Basically the bike seems gutless. What is it like going up hills with two people on yours--does it pull?

thanks!
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
Best I've done on a purely stock bike is 42mph and the acceleration could have been timed with a calendar(!) Of course adding a passenger slows it down. It still pulled reasonably well uphill, at least below 25mph.

Going by Honda's optimistic specs, you've got 5hp (~4.5 seems to be general consensus) pulling 160lbs of bike, plus rider & passenger. That's 64lb per hp, with just you aboard. Don't see many of these with 9500 miles on the clock, let alone running...and reasonably well at that.

These motors can stay healthy well into 5-digit mileage, it's just that very few have been properly maintained and neglect can leave them in need of rebuilding in less the 2,000 miles. Just off-the-cuff, I'd guess that your motor may be a little low on compression and probably in need of a tune-up (points/condenser, air filter, plug), carb rebuild and chain + sprocket set.
 

hondaman

Active Member
Remember people these are called mini-bikes not motorcycles. They came out in force in the early seventies as basically a trail bike.
They could more than handle a 100 to 140 pound kid with no problem. I know 70cc actually qualifies them as a small motorcycle but they were never meant for long hauls across the USA. They are what they are. A fun little mini-bike really made for casual trail riding.
 
On a bone stock, 4300 mile engine with 15/35 gearing, about 30mph. With 19mm keihin and dremeled stock intake, about 35mph. Thats on flat ground. Up hill it did about 12mph
 
So they are basically gutless wonders. Fine by me--I was just trying to figure out if mine is mechanically normal or not. Sounds like it's not too far off.

I'm pretty amazed at this little bike. I've already saved at least $450 in gas over last year from not driving my van so much, and that's only since February. I just checked the oil and after putting over 1,000 miles on it without looking, no drop in the level, and it's still pretty clean.

Only problem seems to be the spark plugs.

thanks guys!
 
For basic speed improvement, get a pitbike engine. Lifans and loncins are common, I got a konker. Pretty much any chinese pitbike engine up to 150ccs will bolt right on.
 

zack_novak

Member
With a bore kit on an HK1 I can max out the speedometer in about a thousand feet. With a bone stock 79 I can hit about 40 going somewhat downhill in the same distance
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
So they are basically gutless wonders. Fine by me--I was just trying to figure out if mine is mechanically normal or not. Sounds like it's not too far off.

I'm pretty amazed at this little bike. I've already saved at least $450 in gas over last year from not driving my van so much, and that's only since February. I just checked the oil and after putting over 1,000 miles on it without looking, no drop in the level, and it's still pretty clean.

Only problem seems to be the spark plugs.

thanks guys!

Guess it's a matter of personal opinion. For use in average suburban traffic (or anything above 25-30mph sustained), no argument, totally underpowered. For trails, quite adequate. Still, 35mph is no problem for my stock K1, even with a combined 300lbs of rider & tolerant wife on board. Freshly rebuilt stockers can usually spin the rear tire on gravel from a low roll...not bad for 72cc. It's not a surplus of power, just crisp throttle response and an ultra-low first gear. It works well offroad.

I wouldn't stretch oil change intervals to the 1K mile range. An extra $25 per year, for a few more oil changes, is damn cheap insurance. No need to use expensive oil, just bike oil formulated for use with wet clutches. I am dead serious about keeping clean oil in these motors. The oil "filter" is only a small chamber inside the clutch face, just behind the throwout bearing flange. It's surprisingly effective...when properly maintained. That said, it only holds maybe a couple ounces of clutch debris then abrasives begin circulating through the motor...making short work of the cylinder walls. Nearly every engine I've rebuilt has had the oil spinner filled with hard-packed dirt. Check out the attached pix and judge for yourself.

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It really doesn't take a whole lot of time, effort or money to keep one of these bikes running like new for many years & miles. IMHO, stretching oil changes & ignoring the filter is penny-wise and dollar foolish...no disrespect meant.

As for making one of these bikes roadworthy, for an adult rider, anything but freeway use is possible and has been done. That, however, is a long discussion and off the original topic.
 
Personally, I wouldn't want to go faster than about 35 anyway. No matter what you do they don't handle all that well with the small wheels. Plus around here there are constantly ghetto boys trying to outrun cops, texting teenagers, homeless dragging shopping carts wrong way down the street, you name it. With my aging bones and dependent children, no thanks.

I'll search the archives on how to change/clean the oil filter. What's amazing is that this little bike gets so much use (I'm on it 10 times or more a week) and after 1K miles the oil hasn't gone down and looks clean.
 

skippy

New Member
me at 220lbs on a 72 4 speed with 4360 miles on it, with the tires at 20lbs psi on a straight strech I can get it to 30....but it take about 1/8 mile....BUT, the flhrc will go 135...so I'm ok with it.....
 

Bootboiler

New Member
That is what mine looked like when I did the clutch... yuck, I was sure it was shot and it might well have low compression, what should compression be? But, speedo says 4500 miles or so. Was a one owner bike, blue. Did points (damn hard for first timer to get right. counter, sprocket (35) and chain, new plug, new throttle and cable, condenser (pain in the ass). At sea level, (important point) it will go 41/42 now. At altitude (6000 ft) around 32. Before I got the timing right it would only do 35. As they say, timing is everything!


Guess it's a matter of personal opinion. For use in average suburban traffic (or anything above 25-30mph sustained), no argument, totally underpowered. For trails, quite adequate. Still, 35mph is no problem for my stock K1, even with a combined 300lbs of rider & tolerant wife on board. Freshly rebuilt stockers can usually spin the rear tire on gravel from a low roll...not bad for 72cc. It's not a surplus of power, just crisp throttle response and an ultra-low first gear. It works well offroad.

I wouldn't stretch oil change intervals to the 1K mile range. An extra $25 per year, for a few more oil changes, is damn cheap insurance. No need to use expensive oil, just bike oil formulated for use with wet clutches. I am dead serious about keeping clean oil in these motors. The oil "filter" is only a small chamber inside the clutch face, just behind the throwout bearing flange. It's surprisingly effective...when properly maintained. That said, it only holds maybe a couple ounces of clutch debris then abrasives begin circulating through the motor...making short work of the cylinder walls. Nearly every engine I've rebuilt has had the oil spinner filled with hard-packed dirt. Check out the attached pix and judge for yourself.

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It really doesn't take a whole lot of time, effort or money to keep one of these bikes running like new for many years & miles. IMHO, stretching oil changes & ignoring the filter is penny-wise and dollar foolish...no disrespect meant.

As for making one of these bikes roadworthy, for an adult rider, anything but freeway use is possible and has been done. That, however, is a long discussion and off the original topic.
 

69ST

Well-Known Member
If you're getting 41mph, compression can't be down much. I've seen these things so whipped that they were barely able to top 25mph. FYI, compression should be 150psi+, in a healthy engine. Much below 135-140 means the top end needs attention, probably a valve job.

Lack of oil spinner maintenance usually results in scored cylinder walls/rings...with the old, dreaded, blue smoke. Sounds to me like you dodged the bullet with yours. That can happen and, it's better to be lucky than good...sometimes...you just can't count on luck.
 

Bootboiler

New Member
Thanks Racerx, I have seen smoke, 2x, could that have been a stuck valve? I put a tablespoon of mavels mystery oil in there too, heard that can help clean up some stuff. I have about 2 tanks of gas through it now, maybe one more and change the oil. I didn't do the springs when I did the clutch, should have, but wasn't that smart. Think I will do it this winter. Real dog at 6000 feet though, thinking of getting a second carb to put on when I go to the mountains. How often do you clean your air filter? Here is the bike. number is 167995.

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