silver tag correct parts

[Houredout401]

Most people don't even know what a ST is nor the difference between It and the other KO's. Cost wise a regular KO would be way cheaper and a lot easier to build. Just because you can get all the parts oem or re-pop. I for one only want to do a ST because I like things that are strange and unusual.

Agree, that is mostly my motivation in addition to preserving history. Collecting all the ST parts is way harder than I thought but I like the challenge.

 

[scooter]

The Challenge for some is a big part of the fun. I'd put myself into the challenge class with you.

 

[Z50nut]

With a few exceptions, an ST is just another K0.

The earliest ST frames (and damned few of them) lacked the crossbar, which connects the RH & LH sides of the frame, just above the engine, forming the bottom of the triangle. Other than that, they're all the same as any other K0 frame with the exception of the hole for the tail light pigtail...which is virtually a non-issue. K0/HK0 frames have been known to develop stress cracks, on either side of the triangle above the upper engine mounts. (K1-later frames have the one-piece internal engine cradle, which eliminated the stress cracking.) Weld and OEM finish quality is wildly variable, throughout the K0 production run. The later K0s tend to be the best. Stress cracks are relatively uncommon, easy enough to weld.

Complete & "correct" STs tend to command a modest premium over other K0 & K1 models. As Pat mentioned, pointedly, the earliest production specimens have the most resale potential. As the ST era progressed, Honda made a lot of small running changes, none of which are well-documented...hence the diminished market premium of the later bikes; there's no way to really know what was factory-correct, other than an unmolested bike in a remarkable state of preservation.

Most of the differences are bolt-on parts, some overlap into the BT era. The toughest items to find are the early-style muffler, wheel hubs, seat pan (in usable condition) and speedometer. The ST speedometers have plastic high-beam indicator jewels, they're just flat plastic; the fabric jewel is urban myth. The silkscreening is different and the dial is only supported on one side, internally, making them susceptible to breakage due to engine vibration.

Nothing really wrong with building a rider, restomod or custom on a K0 frame. If starting from scratch, I'd prefer a K1. If you're ultimately going for a full-on resto, K0 is a safe bet and an ST should be at the high end; it comes down to what you see as being worthwhile. Sourcing a full compliment of ST-specific parts, from scratch would be a challenge and might cost enough to leave you with a net loss, come auction time.

Someone on the forum previously posted a somewhat thorough list of the different ST parts. Not sure who, but I do recall reading it. On the topic of differences, and harder to find parts, I have an ST rear hub that I'd rather see go to someone here. STs missing many of their original parts, probably don't warrant the headache and expense of trying acquire the missing stuff, at least not for resale alone.

 

[scooter]

That list was built a while back. Bunch of folks with silver tags started looking closely at what they had. For the purest there are some significant differences.

 

[scooter]

Relative to the flat high beam jewel mine doesn't look like fabric but definitely flat on this NOS speedometer

 

[69ST]

Most people don't even know what a ST is nor the difference between It and the other KO's. Cost wise a regular KO would be way cheaper and a lot easier to build. Just because you can get all the parts oem or re-pop. I for one only want to do a ST because I like things that are strange and unusual.

Agree, that is mostly my motivation in addition to preserving history. Collecting all the ST parts is way harder than I thought but I like the challenge.

The Challenge for some is a big part of the fun.

These are the quintessential reasons for taking on an ST resto project. In strictly "form-follows-function" terms, a K0 is a K0...and not for everyone. IMHO, the hardcore purists who focus on this level of detail are an important part of the CT70 scene; they provide a key part of the foundation that establishes these bikes as a marque.

 

[samstheman]

I see the different takes on it, building an ST. My ST is running but missing some parts and a matching no motor so I'm just going to keep it as is. Keep eye out for parts as they come along but keep it a rider from the info you all have shared.
And build up the more complete 71 ct.

 

[Broz]

I just purchased what I believe to be an original KO silver tag exhaust. Has anyone ever seen a front exhaust shield like this before? 1/2 the clam shell and different clamps to secure it. Any info would be appreciated.

 

[hrc200x]

Thats how the early ones were, The small mid point bracket probably would have been what appears to be a flat piece of metal with 2 90 degree bends in it.

 

[Broz]

Thats how the early ones were, The small mid point bracket probably would have been what appears to be a flat piece of metal with 2 90 degree bends in it.

Nice, so this should be the correct exhaust for my KO silver tag them. Perfect!

 

[hrc200x]

The muffler is correct for a silver tag, Not sure when KO's went to the two piece lower heat shield but I think it was sometime during the silver tag production run. The double 90 middle bracket I'm referring to is used up to serial number 102873, its possible thats when the heat shield doubled up. Someone might have a early KO parts diagram that will show the special two brackets that hold the back of the single heat shield.

 

[red69]

My original K0 ST 104984 has the single heat shield.

 

[MiniBike Mike’s Garage]

I'm yet to own one silver tag that has identical parts as another. The very early ones seem to have the most differences and and as the bikes progressed and were mass produced I believe they ironed out the weak spots and made the bikes more assembly line worthy. My earliest one had 27 different parts if I remember correctly. Most of the others I have owned were usually between 10-20. I personally plan on eventually doing a 100 point resto on one. With that said I have been collecting the rare parts as I find them. The key thing for me is to get a very low vin# if possible. Anyone have one of the first 10?

I’ve kept a spreadsheet on known CT70 silver tags for many years. I have recorded over 700 surviving silver tags. The lowest number I’ve found is frame number 7 with engine number 1. Bike number 9 (with engine #10) was posted here a few years back.

 

[kirrbby]

I had one ST exhaust, from a 1023xx bike, that didn't have a patent # stamped in the back side.

 

[CLEC66]

Thats interesting Kirby, I have an early ST70 Dax with a NON torpedo tip exhaust with no verbage what so ever. I'll have to check my silver tag sometime when I can get to it.