Didn’t take long to tear it down. No visible damage on any trans component. The why from 4th to 3rd. Secondary 2nd gear is moving right and at the same time primary 3rd is moving left. Not only can they bind on their respective future locations but done just right on each other. I watched it happen several times. 4th to 3rd is where the trans hung up. The secondary shaft actually attempts to move right and when assembled the right case won’t let it. Suspect??? The shift drum... that could explain a lot of what’s been going on. I’m won’t be solving this one. Going to install AHP 1dn 3up I have to get one first and more gaskets.
Clone to Honda conversion
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I'm seeing the countershaft binding inside the gear bores (figuratively speaking). The solution is to find out why/what/how and make the correction. I would think that excessive wear, with the shift drum assembly, is something you would have caught long before now. Maybe check any splined washers that were replaced, as well as gear movement (lateral) on the shafts. The sliding gears (the ones that move with gear changes) should do so freely. Just a reminder (probably unnecessary), splined washers only go between spinning (non-splined bore) gears and the C-clips on the shafts. Incorrectly assembled gear clusters are beyond a longshot; that said, after all the twists & turns of this saga, it's worth checking the easy stuff. Dunno about you but, personally, I'd be wondering "wtf?" until I had a definitive answer...which could be a ver-r-r-r-ry long time.
Once your new tranny arrives, you could compare the assembly details to your existing gearbag...ummm...box.
Once your new tranny arrives, you could compare the assembly details to your existing gearbag...ummm...box.
Roy Chambers
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I'm seeing the countershaft binding inside the gear bores (figuratively speaking). The solution is to find out why/what/how and make the correction. I would think that excessive wear, with the shift drum assembly, is something you would have caught long before now. Maybe check any splined washers that were replaced, as well as gear movement (lateral) on the shafts. The sliding gears (the ones that move with gear changes) should do so freely. Just a reminder (probably unnecessary), splined washers only go between spinning (non-splined bore) gears and the C-clips on the shafts. Incorrectly assembled gear clusters are beyond a longshot; that said, after all the twists & turns of this saga, it's worth checking the easy stuff. Dunno about you but, personally, I'd be wondering "wtf?" until I had a definitive answer...which could be a ver-r-r-r-ry long time.
Once your new tranny arrives, you could compare the assembly details to your existing gearbag...ummm...box.
If your dead set on getting a NEW Transmission, and if you don't mind waiting for a wile, you can send me the entire Trans and I could take a look at it for you! I have been trying to take apart this CT70H engine during my few minutes of lunch break. I could drop the Trans in this case and try to see what going on. Hey Kirrbby, do you still have that CT70H Crankcase that has a Hole in the end of the Mainshaft? Or another JUNK one that I could put in the Milling Machine and Window it ?
Thanks Roy.
kirrbby
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Sorry, I forgot about this.
I DO have the XL70 left side, and I think I can find a right side to use for the cause. Do you want me to round them up?? Cases to be chopped for science?
I'm willing to spring for the shipping if you're willing to put in the work, and then be the...windowed cases transmission checker guy.
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Roy Chambers
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OK Kirrbby, That would be great! But only send something that will never be used again.
Thanks Roy.
kirrbby
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The XL70 left case is in my scrapper. I listed it up on eBay for $1...9.50 shipped, I think it was, and it never got a bid.
IIhave a few junk right cases, all have broken mounts for the shift drum detent arm. They won't work for this job. I think I have one with a busted engine/frame mount. It COULD be welded up and doctored etc. But it's $50 worth of work, to save a $25 part.
So...I have a set of cases that will work great for your windowed lower end. The left side is filthy. I hope to clean it up a bit before I pack and ship. But I will definitely be shipping these parts to you when time allows.
IIhave a few junk right cases, all have broken mounts for the shift drum detent arm. They won't work for this job. I think I have one with a busted engine/frame mount. It COULD be welded up and doctored etc. But it's $50 worth of work, to save a $25 part.
So...I have a set of cases that will work great for your windowed lower end. The left side is filthy. I hope to clean it up a bit before I pack and ship. But I will definitely be shipping these parts to you when time allows.
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cjpayne
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Dont shut up kirrbby...........yu da man round here!
Use a big high powered band saw.lol
airblazer
Active Member
I might be able to do most of it myself with a sawzall and BFH
The BFH rears it’s head again! And Kirby you can tell your wife that the adulation of millions of strangers is worth more than the approval of one family member.
So...you figure that he'll post more results here... after the divorce?The BFH rears it’s head again! And Kirby you can tell your wife that the adulation of millions of strangers is worth more than the approval of one family member.
airblazer
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I was quoting a movie, but it’s a kids movie (Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs) so I doubt anyone has seen it or remembers such an obscure line, but it seemed appropriate given Kirby’s value to the Congregation of the Holy CT70.
So...you figure that he'll post more results here... after the divorce?
I was quoting a movie, but it’s a kids movie (Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs) so I doubt anyone has seen it or remembers such an obscure line, but it seemed appropriate given Kirby’s value to the Congregation of the Holy CT70.
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I was quoting a movie, but it’s a kids movie (Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs) so I doubt anyone has seen it or remembers such an obscure line, but it seemed appropriate given Kirby’s value to the Congregation of the Holy CT70.
You're right, haven't seen that flick...though I'd likely as not have remembered the line. My mind is a library of mostly arcane stuff. Wasn't aware that there was a CT70 congregation but, FWIW I still recall the late, lamented, "Church of Latter Day Rat Motors".
