ryanfernie
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hmm.. maybe it was the crappy bright pink powder coat my dad put on the bike that did it.
Beautiful Ruby Red Match
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NJBphotography
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I know different powders cook at different temps. I would just ask them or go for it!
johnsgm
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Candy Ruby Red Match
We opted for the Candy Ruby Red in the middle. (NOT the PINK) He sent a sample and it matches our new headlight bucket dead on.
My son Joe and I arent going for concours . . . we just don't have $800 to pay someone for a paint job. And for this project this fits the bill perfectly.
For us its a beautiful, affordable finish.
Thats pretty funny . . . Check out this photo that I got from Ayers when I was exploring using PC on our summer build. Check out the sample on the right:13:
We opted for the Candy Ruby Red in the middle. (NOT the PINK) He sent a sample and it matches our new headlight bucket dead on.
My son Joe and I arent going for concours . . . we just don't have $800 to pay someone for a paint job. And for this project this fits the bill perfectly.
For us its a beautiful, affordable finish.
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johnsgm
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Is that two stage powder coat? Most candy powders are applied over a chrome or metallic base powder. At any rate, that appears to be about as close a match as you can get. Nice thing about powder is it will coat the forward inside portion of the frame, which is not practical with sprayed paint. Plus, powder is really inexpensive compared to chemically reduced automotive paints. Hazardous materials are expensive....
For the other questions, yes, most powder coats are baked at 400F for about 30-60 minutes depending on the thermal mass of the part. Would 400F bake out a rubber bushing? Not likely, but it would certainly affect its usable life and durometer.
johnsgm
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Forgot to answer your question sorry . . . yes . . . the frame and parts are bead blasted per usual and Ayers has a two stage formula that is a tits-on match. I do know that he experimented with a LOT of different powders, bases etc. til he got it just right.
Paper burns at 451 degrees so Id imagine 400 really cant be good for a bushing. Personally I'd only consider powder coating something if I had the intention of selling shortly after so I wouldnt be the one stuck with it. I've dealt with a crack on a powdered frame and it was a nightmare. You cant blast it off or strip it chemically. Sanding and grinding is your only option really, and very unfun. Be ready to strip the entire piece too or take it to a professional for repair. Maybe its just me but its not worth the possible hassle down the road to save a buck today.
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Ayers Garage
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You fellas a very kind saying these things about my work. I really appreciate each of you who have allowed me to do jobs for you.
Your powder coater could have stripped the powder back to bare metal easily using proper stripper. All he has to do is dip it in his vat and the powder will float right off within minutes. I can't see being afraid of something cracking as a reason to keep me from coating it. If that were the case, chroming anything would be out too since it's also hard to remove from a part if needed. Even if you have a painted part that you had to strip for a repair, you're still going to have to spend some money ordering another paint kit to reshoot the part anyway.
My point is, there are solutions to any problem and a re-do of a painted part is no walk in the park either.
Your powder coater could have stripped the powder back to bare metal easily using proper stripper. All he has to do is dip it in his vat and the powder will float right off within minutes. I can't see being afraid of something cracking as a reason to keep me from coating it. If that were the case, chroming anything would be out too since it's also hard to remove from a part if needed. Even if you have a painted part that you had to strip for a repair, you're still going to have to spend some money ordering another paint kit to reshoot the part anyway.
My point is, there are solutions to any problem and a re-do of a painted part is no walk in the park either.
scooter
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Couple comments on the bushing topic. Haven't heard of any bushings being compromised after exposure to 400 F. Did a google search on rubber operating temperature and see a lot of "rubber" materials that "operate" in this temperature and have an exposure temperature that is even higher. Pushing out the swingarm bushings and pressing in a new set is no big deal. I think they run around $10.00
johnsgm
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You like Ray Bradbury I see . .. and yes it is 450 . . .. Celcius
Or about 840 farenheit according to the handbook of physical testing of paper
Handbook of physical testing of paper - Google Books
Now scalloped potatoes cook at 400 deg F for about 45 min. (and they seems to handle it OK) But since there are no potatoes or paper on a Honda and since vulcanized rubber does not (can not) melt . . . I still don't think that swing arm bushing worries will deter me from getting a beautiful ruby red finish on our summer project.
But just for fun I am going to take two new swing arm bushings off the parts shelf and bake one at 400 for an hour. I'll let you all know how it tastes.
mmmm-mmmmm, i love the smell of burnin' rubber in the morning....
and yes, abrasive blasting powder coat is a pita whithout some professional equipment using coarse abrasive. for the average guy, probably easier to chemically strip.
at the same time, powder coat is very cost effective, durable and coats everything. so that's kinda hard to pass up if you have found a powder coater that will pass some of the savings on to you. my local powder coat house wanted $400 to rally silver coat (4) 15x8 steel wheels. needless to say, those wheels received polyurethane out of a rattle can....
and yes, abrasive blasting powder coat is a pita whithout some professional equipment using coarse abrasive. for the average guy, probably easier to chemically strip.
at the same time, powder coat is very cost effective, durable and coats everything. so that's kinda hard to pass up if you have found a powder coater that will pass some of the savings on to you. my local powder coat house wanted $400 to rally silver coat (4) 15x8 steel wheels. needless to say, those wheels received polyurethane out of a rattle can....
johnsgm
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Finally found my stash of swingarm bushings and finally got a nice ham on sale at the grocery. So, as promised, here is the receipe for scalloped potatoes and bushings for those who may still be afraid to cook one or the other.
As you can see my Candy Ruby Red build is coming along WOEFULLY slow but on the bright side I saved enough using Powder Coat instead of "an $800 paintjob" to buy all the nice new bling in the pic..>:4:
I like a lots of lean ham with my scalloped potatoes and bushings . . .
and a little sweet onion . . .
Bake at 400 deg. for one hour . . .
Remove from oven . . .
Looks like a little oil did bake out of the bushing. I would guess that is used in the manufacturing process to fit the steel center into the rubber.
Here is one baked and one raw bushing. You can eat them either way you like . . . they taste the same. Bon Appetite
As you can see my Candy Ruby Red build is coming along WOEFULLY slow but on the bright side I saved enough using Powder Coat instead of "an $800 paintjob" to buy all the nice new bling in the pic..>:4:
I like a lots of lean ham with my scalloped potatoes and bushings . . .
and a little sweet onion . . .
Bake at 400 deg. for one hour . . .
Remove from oven . . .
Looks like a little oil did bake out of the bushing. I would guess that is used in the manufacturing process to fit the steel center into the rubber.
Here is one baked and one raw bushing. You can eat them either way you like . . . they taste the same. Bon Appetite
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Backinthedays
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What type of suace would go best with cooked bushing and what kind would taste better with raw bushings?
Grant's trail
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Are Bushings the other "White Meat?" and do you serve red or white wine with them?...Just like myth busters!