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Lilwildcat13

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Kirrbby I’m sure everyone out there asks but would you be willing to work with me on a decent looking frame and swing arm? Of course im looking for a sapphire blue but I know everyone and their mother is looking for one of those! Lol I know I can’t be picky! Any color would be completely fine with me. I’ve been wanting one for a while and really haven’t had the funds or space to build one. However I got a really great job as a maintenance technician about 4 years ago and just moved into my first house a little bit ago. I could go out and purchase a full bike but what would be the fun in that? I want to build it from the ground up starting with a frame! Thank you so much for your help!
 
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kirrbby

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Hi Lilwildcat13, and welcome to lilHonda.
I don't have a single Saphire blue frame, and I don't think I've ever had one, or a CT70 in that color..? And I've had a bunch of bikes and frames pass thru here. I think CT's in that color are dodgin me :)

I do have some decent frames tho. I have a really nice Candy Gold one, and a dirty but nice Candy Ruby Red one. These would be around $190-210 with a swingarm...plus shipping...to give you a idea.
But if you are a handy guy or gal, and you can deal with a ding, dent, or repair, you might want a cheaper part.
I'll be happy to work with you to get you set up.
It's a hard way to go to build a complete bike, but it can absolutely be done...and fun.
 
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69ST

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chasdabigone said:
I got my hands on a 90's ct70 that has a bent frame right at the fuel tank and seat area. Do you have any 90's frames? Will other years work?
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The frames are interchangeable but, there are some differences. The 90s (a.k.a. "12v") era bikes have a completely different seat latching setup, plus a different battery & carrier, with mounts that do not exist on any of the pre-1991 frames. It's certainly possible to use an earlier style seat. The battery is a stickier issue, you'd have to either come up with a way to adapt/live with the third (rear) carrier mount, or source a 6v battery carrier and modify that to accept a modern, 12v sealed battery. Beyond those details, the 6v frames have four mounting bosses, near the steering head tube, for the engine guard (which went bye-bye with the 1979 model) and, drum roll please, the sidebadge incuses are smaller on the 12v frames. 6V frames, into the 1980s all have the larger (and easier to find) sidebadges. Beyond these differences, one CT70 frame is virtually the same as any other.

Might be a lot simpler to just repair/restore your existing frame. Got any pix?
 
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chasdabigone

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racerx said:
The frames are interchangeable but, there are some differences. The 90s (a.k.a. "12v") era bikes have a completely different seat latching setup, plus a different battery & carrier, with mounts that do not exist on any of the pre-1991 frames. It's certainly possible to use an earlier style seat. The battery is a stickier issue, you'd have to either come up with a way to adapt/live with the third (rear) carrier mount, or source a 6v battery carrier and modify that to accept a modern, 12v sealed battery. Beyond those details, the 6v frames have four mounting bosses, near the steering head tube, for the engine guard (which went bye-bye with the 1979 model) and, drum roll please, the sidebadge incuses are smaller on the 12v frames. 6V frames, into the 1980s all have the larger (and easier to find) sidebadges. Beyond these differences, one CT70 frame is virtually the same as any other.

Might be a lot simpler to just repair/restore your existing frame. Got any pix?
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here's some pics. I am not afraid to try hammering on it but I'm afraid the seat won't be able to latch again no matter what. It does seem to be structurally fine though
 

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69ST

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That damage qualifies for a "WTF" award, if anything does. Did a house happen to land on the bike, with someone losing a sister in the process?!:eek: I tend toward over-optimism but, this one may be too badly crunched. If it was only one side, there'd be a solid reference for the other. FWIW, I'd start by straightening the LH side, followed by the RH side. If the frame rails can be made straight & parallel, with the upper shock mount at 90-degrees to the frame centerline, then you have a fighting chance of resurrecting this frame. The big challenges, IMO, are dealing with all of the compound curves on the RH side (wheel arch area, mainly) and possible metal stretch that may have occurred. I'd not apply any hammer persuasion until the very end, after the structural straightening has been done, limiting it to what is needed for details/cosmetic body work...to prevent stretching the steel (any further?).

It's going to take some skilled body repair as well as some luck. On a 1-10 scale of difficulty, I'd rate this one a solid "9". I agree with you, another frame in better condition is likely the better way to go...more efficient, for sure...if one can be found. However, there's the VIN/engine SN combo to consider and the `90s models sold in minuscule numbers. IOW, much harder to find another frame of the same year, let alone close to your VIN. If you just want a mechanically solid bike and resale/titling doesn't matter, well...mostly any year will do. In that case, I'd look for K1-later, preferentially. There's nothing wrong with any of them it's just that the K1 was the first to get added bracing. K3 was the first to get an extra "dimple" in the wheel arch to add battery clearance. K3 was the first to get turn signals and, presumably, needed more battery capacity to power them. All of that having been said, if frame replacement is an acceptable or, ultimately, mandatory solution...and you have the ability to perform frame surgery, what have you got to lose by attempting the surgical reconstruction first?
 
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kirrbby

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Also, the steering LOCK won't work on a older frame. And the steering STOP might need some attention.
I have K0 frames, and a K4.

I had a similar problem a while back...a 93 with a trashed frame. I finally found and bought a 93 frame that had some minor damage. I put my bike together on THAT frame. Then about 6mos ago, I bought another, better, frame. That better frame is hanging on my garage wall. I'm planning to swap the better frame into my good bike :)
But your need might be greater than my need.
I could probably be persuaded to sell my good frame if the price is right. Or...if you aren't in a hurry, I'd sell the other frame...with minor damage...after I've made my swap. But I don't know when that would be.

I will mention tho...all the 90s specific tabs and brackets are there...on your damaged frame. You could whack em and weld em, on to a early frame, so your seat would latch, and steering lock would lock, etc. It'd be a pain tho.
 
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69ST

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kirrbby said:
I will mention tho...all the 90s specific tabs and brackets are there...on your damaged frame. You could whack em and weld em, on to a early frame, so your seat would latch, and steering lock would lock, etc. It'd be a pain tho.
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IMO, that would be the equivalent of an appendix transplant. A pre-1991 frame with 1991-later bracketry would be anything but desirable...and it would take a helluva lot of precision slicing, dicing, welding & metalfinishing to execute well enough to work properly. It'd take far less work to modify the seat pan...and that'd be silly, as well. Decent reproduction seats are less than $150, delivered, unless you want something custom. And those are bolt-on/plug-and-play with any pre-1991 frame...no modifications needed.
 
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chasdabigone

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kirrbby said:
Also, the steering LOCK won't work on a older frame. And the steering STOP might need some attention.
I have K0 frames, and a K4.

I had a similar problem a while back...a 93 with a trashed frame. I finally found and bought a 93 frame that had some minor damage. I put my bike together on THAT frame. Then about 6mos ago, I bought another, better, frame. That better frame is hanging on my garage wall. I'm planning to swap the better frame into my good bike :)
But your need might be greater than my need.
I could probably be persuaded to sell my good frame if the price is right. Or...if you aren't in a hurry, I'd sell the other frame...with minor damage...after I've made my swap. But I don't know when that would be.
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I'd probably be willing to buy your damaged frame once you do the swap if I don't find a parts bike before then. I'm not in a rush and not looking for a perfect bike - in fact I got this to let my family ride/destroy when they visit.

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BTW, where are you located?
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I'm in north texas.
 
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chasdabigone

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red69 said:
I'd be curious to see what the seat looks like.
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LOL the seat has no cover left and is taped around. It just flops because the little knobbins don't go into the holes. I'll get a few more pics tomorrow.

Oh another thing you guys might like is the carb was blocked up with hundreds of dead ants. Barely any dirt in there but so many ants - haven't seen that before. It was still running too, just made the float bowl overflow
 
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Lilwildcat13

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I would love to see a couple different options! Is there anyway I could give you my email and you could send me a couple photos with prices of some different frames with swing arms? I’m definitely more into the ko style! Thank you so much for all your help! This will be a very long (expensive) but fun and enjoyable build for me!
 
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kirrbby

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Sure. I just sent you a PM. I'll just post up pics here in the thread tho. It might help me to sell some other crap, and it helps to keep lilhonda active and interesting.
Give me a few days and I'll get some pics to post.
 
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kirrbby

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chasdabigone said:
I'd probably be willing to buy your damaged frame once you do the swap if I don't find a parts bike before then. I'm not in a rush and not looking for a perfect bike - in fact I got this to let my family ride/destroy when they visit.


I'm in north texas.
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If you can find a 90s frame, it will make your job SUPER nice, and easy, compared to using any other frame. Since EVERYTHING will fit and work perfectly. But if you don't mind changing things up a bit...seat mainly, any other frame can be made to work just dandy. But you'll be doing some finagling.

I pulled my frame down yesterday to take a quick look...it's very nice and I'm kinda relieved to be keeping it. I'm not in a rush to make my swap tho, and I'm typically very slow about such things. So keep us posted, if you get into a hurry you can give me a gentle reminder...that you're waiting.
In the mean time, I'll keep a eye open for you. You should be checking eBay regularly too. eBay is your best friend for good used parts, cheap. But you need a keen eye to spot the GOOD parts.
 
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kirrbby

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I'll PM you to give you a idea on my price for the #2 frame, shipped to Texas. In case it's more that you would be willing to pay. It might save us both some time.
 
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