69 ct70 what's so different?

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69ST

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There's a lot to be replaced and it appears to have seen extended outdoor storage. You rarely see shock springs this thoroughly rusted. Let's start with the items visible in the photo that have to be replaced, or restored:
  • The handlebars are bent & likely rusted solid to the knobs
  • Speedo bucket is scrap. Have to see the speedo in-person, it may be done, too
  • The LH lower fork leg appears bent. The same crash(es) that did this may have tweaked the RH side, as well
  • The footrest asm is not the original
  • The rear fender is is a lot rustier than the front, have to wonder why. Can't recall if the rear is different than later the later type; the front is and will havew to be restored
  • The tail light bracket appears reasonably straight, but heavily rusted
  • The seat appears fairly straight. Usually, a cracked pan allows the rear section to collapse onto the tail light bracket, crushing it. If it's solid and the original, this would be a lucky break. Early seat pans have the demountable (bolted-on) tool kit holder and are easier to repair. But, is this the original seat?
  • Looks like the original flywheel cover (Z50 type) but an open engine, missing the upper end, is cause for concern. This bike has spent much of its life in a humid environment. There could be rust in the lower end; won't know until the cases have been split
  • The rear shocks are probably best described using a rude word which rhymes with "duct":cc_rip:

So, based on your photos thus far, you're actually negotiating to buy a rough rolling chassis, (minus: chainguard, headlight shell, handlebar assembly & knobs, tail light assembly), seat pan in unknown condition, partial engine in unknown (highly questionable) condition, speedometer in unknown condition, and a pair of rough fenders. All you need to restore a `69 is the frame, LH engine case w/SN, the seat pan plus a few other smaller items. So, this one could be restored. That doesn't alter the fact that this is one rough starting point for a concours project.

I'd offer $200, tops...and that's giving consideration for the fact that it's a `69. Otherwise, I'd offer no more than $75 for this pile.
 
hornetgod

hornetgod

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I agree with Racer. This seller thinks he's got more than what he actually has. Not worth shipping overseas. $200.00 is a best case scenerio. My Dad bought a running October 1969 KO for $200.00 he stummbled across for sale on a back country road.
 
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69ST

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Anderz,

If the seller rejected $350, then my recommendation to you is don't walk away from this deal...RUN.:bolt:
 
hornetgod

hornetgod

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He will eventually realize $350.00 is the best offer he will recieve and call you. Personally, I would pass on this bike and focus on others.
 
Anderz

Anderz

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That's also what I'm doing.

I put an offer for a gold KO parts bike on Ebay which is 30-35 miles from Racerx. Woke up to find the offer accepted. It has been on Ebay for a long while together with an '80s CT70 with the wrong front fork on it.

2 HONDA CT 70 TRAIL 70 PARTS BIKES - eBay (item 160442191890 end time Jan-07-11 16:53:07 PST)

The most rust I can find is the chain in this case.

As for the '69 new springs for the rear schocks are not expensive. When are the head light bucket not cracked? A straight tail light braket is rare in my book. You will need to paint the bike anyway as all rebuild projects. The motor is questionable. The seat is the original. New tail light assy are not expensive. I have seen bends on the front fork that's worse. However the bike is horrible and I'm not going for it.

That 200$ bike was a lucky one. If it was ebay or craigslist it would have gone for alot more and you know that.
 
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kirrbby

kirrbby

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I have a early 69 frame #1023xx and it is missing the small support that is usually welded into the U shape cutout at the bottom of the frame where the front motor mount holes are. I also have a complete 69 #104xxx which has this piece. The earlier bike doesn't look like it ever had one installed. Did they add this piece at some point or is my frame a factory defect? Anyone have a early bike that is also missing this bracket? This frame is listed on Ebay right now, there are pictures there. Thanks for the help.
 
OLD CT

OLD CT

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I do remember hearing that a recall notice was sent to owners of the first year builds to check welds i believe.
 
kirrbby

kirrbby

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There is no sign or it ever being there. No sign of spot welds, the paint is there. I'm thinking it was a change that they made early in production, or it was just missed on this particular bike.
 
hornetgod

hornetgod

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OLD CT could be right. There was a recall in the early months of production for weak frames and poor or missing welds.
 
vintagehondatrailbikes

vintagehondatrailbikes

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kirrbby said:
I have a early 69 frame #1023xx and it is missing the small support that is usually welded into the U shape cutout at the bottom of the frame where the front motor mount holes are. I also have a complete 69 #104xxx which has this piece. The earlier bike doesn't look like it ever had one installed. Did they add this piece at some point or is my frame a factory defect? Anyone have a early bike that is also missing this bracket? This frame is listed on Ebay right now, there are pictures there. Thanks for the help.
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This is accurate for the early bikes. I have one. The earlier the bike, the more prototypical they are. It's amazing how fast they made changes. More than 50 changes were made within six months.
 
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69ST

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vintagehondatrailbikes said:
This is accurate for the early bikes. I have one. The earlier the bike, the more prototypical they are. It's amazing how fast they made changes. More than 50 changes were made within six months.
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Agreed, the earliest production bikes had the most changes in the shortest time. Unless an early silver tag bike is 100% unmolested, including the black plastic levers, there's no way to know if any given example is exactly as it left the factory.

That said, running changes continued throughout the 6v era. The engine mount bracing became one-piece with the K1, K0 frames can develop stress cracks in the "triangle", above the upper motor mounts. Seat pan stampings got smoother as K0 production continued. Early pans are really wavy, resembling cloth, in some areas. There was also a lot of wrestling with suppliers; there were actually more speedometer changes after the K0 model. The list goes on...

What sets the earliest models apart is the additional layer of non-CT70 parts, such as the one-piece flywheel cover, fenders, exhaust, etc. that were obviously taken from the parts bins to hustle the model into dealer showrooms. The non-US-spec Dax (Type 1 & JDM), came in more flavors and was released earlier in `69, making it a natural parts donor for the short-term.
 
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NorCal

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Here is a picture of my wavey seat pan on my 10/69 ko.
I don't see the horn with the black back on this list should it be on here?

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